Prabhupāda: Secular means no religion.
Dr. Patel: Irreligious rather than. No religion is also something good. But something other than religion.
Prabhupāda: You may call anything, but there is no religion. Dharmena hina paśubhiḥ samanaḥ. They are animals, that's all. The modern civilized man is nothing but an animal—dressed animal, two-legged animal. The animals are four-legged, and these animals are two-legged, that's all. Or big animal. (break) . . . varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ. The leaders of this modern civilization, they are being praised by other animals. Śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ (SB 2.3.19). Śva means dog, and . . .
Dr. Patel: Kharaḥ means asses.
Prabhupāda: Śva-viḍ . . . viḍ-varāha means hogs, and uṣṭra means camel, and kharaḥ means gāḍha, ass. So these leaders are being praised by these animals: dogs, hogs, camel and asses. And they are thinking they are very big men. What is the value of prayers offered by dogs, hogs, asses and camel? The general people are dogs, hogs, camel. I think you have read. I have explained how they are camel, how they are dog, how they are hog and how they are ass. I have explained this.
Yaśomatīnandana: That's the Second Canto.
Prabhupāda: Yes. The modern education means to create dogs. The dog goes door to door and moves the tail: "Please give me if you have anything." So this educated person with application goes, and they say, "No vacancy. Get out." Therefore they are dogs. Educated means dogs. They are creating dogs. In Vedic culture no brāhmaṇa will accept any job. No kṣatriya will accept any job. No vaiśya will accept any . . . only śūdras. Only śūdras.
Dr. Patel: Now they are keeping dogs in their kitchens. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: Yes. Doggish mentality is there.
Dr. Patel: You see, the people are spending more than thirty, forty rupees on a dog every day. But they won't pay two rupees to a servant, domestic servant in their home.
Prabhupāda: They are keeping servants also. But educated dogs. After passing so many examinations, they are seeking after master. And without master they will starve. This is doggish mentality. A big technologist, unless he gets a good job, he is nothing but dog.
Dr. Patel: He has got no means to further his technology. He must have some means to further his own technology in the modern times, sir. It is very difficult to further your technology without proper means, instruments.
Prabhupāda: On the principle it is dog's business. Unless you get a master, you are useless. So that is dog's business. Just like these dogs here on the beach. Because they have no master, they are forlorn, only barking and going here, there. That's all. Sanātha jīvitaḥ. So we are, every one of us, we are now dogs of the material nature, or just like street dogs. So therefore . . . (aside:) Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Therefore we should take shelter of the big master, Kṛṣṇa. Then it will be all right. (aside:) Jaya. Hare Kṛṣṇa. (break) . . . vantam eva caran nirantaram. This is Yamunācārya's prayer. Bhavantam eva caran nirantaram. (aside:) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. Bhavantam eva caran nirantaraṁ praśānta-nihśeṣa-gato . . . Praśānta-nihśeṣa-gato-rathāntara (Stotra-ratna 43). (aside:) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. (break) . . . all right? No. Not yet. You are feeling all right? No.