Prabhupāda: No, no. I don't say. This is the philosophy. Amānitvam adambhitvam. Where is that thing? That is taught from the brahmacārī. Brahmacārī, a small boy, he is taught that you become amānitvam adambhitvam, and he accepts it. Because he is small, the brahmacārī, he may be coming from a king's family, but if he's ordered, "My dear boy, take my shoes and brush it," he'll do it immediately, because he's innocent boy. He learns. Therefore brahmacāri gurukule vasan dānta (SB 7.12.1). The mode of life should be trained from the brahmacārī.
Dr. Patel: This British public schools, they are doing that. The school of Harrow and the Eton. The first-standard boys have to brush the shoes of the fifth-standard boys, and the fifth to the sixth, and the sixth to the seventh, and first to the second . . .
Prabhupāda: No, why not to the . . .
Dr. Patel: And the first boy, his shoes goes to the teacher for cleaning.
Prabhupāda: Some idea . . .
Dr. Patel: That is great idea.
Prabhupāda: No. That is also imperfect. Anyway, it is something. Amānitvam adambhitvam: they from the very beginning of their life, they address other's wife as "mother," you see? Mātṛvat para-dāreṣu. This is culture, to see every woman except his own wife as mother. Where is that culture?
Indian man: Mahatma Gandhi also changed his life after brahmacārī . . .
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Indian man: Mahatma Gandhi?
Prabhupāda: We are talking of real mahātmās, not politicians.
Indian man: No, no. He was changing after brahmacārī, his life.
Prabhupāda: I do not know much.
Dr. Patel: He took a big vow. He took a big vow at the age of forty-three years. That mahān, mahā-vrata, they call it? For not indulging in sex.
Prabhupāda: That is one of the qualification.
Dr. Patel: That is one of them. But by controlling theirself, people derive much vigor.
Prabhupāda: That is a fact.
Dr. Patel: Because I think woman is the personification of māyā. You can say that way. The whole thing is, I mean, revolving around that.
Prabhupāda: But if you become strong, Kṛṣṇa conscious . . .
Dr. Patel: It may go away.
Prabhupāda: Māyām etam taranti te: there is no more māyā.