Prabhupāda: Planetarium. According to planetarium.
Dr. Patel: They have got a big planetarium in Calcutta.
Prabhupāda: Yes, they have got, but we have also got. So it is little difference. Just like we are calculating that the sun is the beginning of the planets, sun, then moon. Therefore we say "Sunday, Monday." This is very quite reasonable. Tuesday.
Dr. Patel: And Tuesday is next word, because Maṅgala.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And planet is 1,006,000 miles above, above. And Saturday, Saturn, is the last. So now sun is calculated to be 93,000,000's miles from earth, and if the moon is still further 1,600,000, then it becomes about fifteen hundred thousand miles. No. Fifteen million miles. So how they are going, in four days, fifteen millions?
Dr. Patel: You ask me?
Prabhupāda: Yes. (laughter)
Dr. Patel: Well, sir, there is no going and coming. All are what we are, wherever.
Prabhupāda: No, no. That is another thing. That is another thing, that with their this sputnik, how they can go in four days fifteen millions miles?
Dr. Patel: You see, in the cosmos, the whole cosmos is as big . . . Modern scientists understand it by what we call the force of attraction and repulsion. When you go in between the two, there is no attraction, repulsion. Then you just have this, and it goes on.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Bhāgavata: So we should display the real planetary system . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Bhāgavata: As it really exists.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Bhāgavata: And then we can put underneath explanations in Bengali and English.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes.
Dr. Patel: In Sanskrit and English, because Sanskrit contains Bengali and Gujarati and all.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That's a good idea, good idea.
Dr. Patel: I go, sir.
Prabhupāda: Hmm? Time is up? Hare Kṛṣṇa.
(break) . . . many things to be displayed by these models, and we can utilize that.
Bhāgavata: Like the pictures we have in the Bhāgavatam and the Gītā, then we can make them into doll displays, some of those pictures.
Prabhupāda: But the idea was that in our big temple I wanted to display.
Bhāgavata: Oh. You didn't want a separate building.
Prabhupāda: No. We wanted to display where is . . .
Passerby: Oh, haribol!
Prabhupāda: The Vaikuṇṭha planet, where is the Goloka planet, where is this material world—in this way.
Bhāgavata: So if that's what you want, then we should not make a permanent structure? We should make some temporary structure, like last year.
Prabhupāda: That you decide yourself.
Bhāgavata: So we should engage the local dollmakers in doing this.
Prabhupāda: First of all you have your place; then make dolls. But dolls should not be exactly in the same way. But when you make actually, then I will give you how the models should be made. Now, how to do, where to do, that, it is your business. You decide, some of yourself, and do the needful.
(to Saurabha) You have not yet done any plan for the big temple?
Saurabha: I have been asking Jayapatāka for about one year to please send me some plan of the land so that I can place all these buildings, because there is no. . .
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa He's getting it done now.
Bhāgavata: The blueprints are done. Jayapatāka is revising them now. They are in Māyāpur. He is reviewing all the blueprints. They are all done. And when they are finished . . . when he finishes reviewing them, then we'll have them sent here immediately. I just sent them to Māyāpur.
Saurabha: As soon as I get the plans, I will make immediately, finish everything. We can make a master plan for the whole situation.
Prabhupāda: So ask him to send immediately site plan and begin.
Saurabha: Yes.
Prabhupāda: And then others things will be there. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Tīrtha Mahārāja, for the last fifty years, he did not do anything. Now he is afraid. You know Kṛṣṇa dāsa Bābājī?
Bhāgavata: In Vṛndāvana.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He approached me that "You just have a big hall in the Yogapīṭha." I immediately accepted that, "Yes, if you give us the charge we can spend immediately ten lakhs." (chuckles) So Śrīdhara Mahārāja has said that, "If it is gone to Swami Mahārāja, then there will be no trace of Tīrtha Mahārāja." (chuckles) Therefore he is trying for that. So I think we shall have, according to our original plan, the temple, and in that temple we shall display all these dolls: "Here is Vaikuṇṭhaloka, here is this loka, this loka, this loka." That will be . . . (break) . . . we make some arrangement for exhibition of our books very nicely.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: They're going to have booths in Māyāpur.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That Tīrtha Mahārāja will not be able to show.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Never. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: He has no capacity.
Yaśomatīnandana: He will display only one Brahma-saṁhitā, that also by Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī.
Bhāgavata: So we will make a very nice book display. I will see that there is a very nice book display, where the Caitanya-caritamṛtas and the Bhāgavatams displayed.
(break) . . . the governor of Bengal, and he was quite congenial. He was friendly. And he agreed that if we contact him and make the proper arrangements he might come and see you there when you come to Māyāpur.
Prabhupāda: Very nice.
Bhāgavata: I was thinking if we had him for the festival, to come to the festival, that would be a very prestigious . . .
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Why don't you arrange for that? You have to arrange. Yes. (break) . . . king. Their constitution, first word is, "The king can do no wrong." Yes, that is the Vedic system. Suppose a king beheads somebody by his own sword, as it was being done. Nobody can charge him that "Without any trial he has killed this man." No. Whatever he does . . . just like we take Kṛṣṇa, apāpa viddham. Kṛṣṇa is never touched with any sinful activities. Apāpa-viddham. Tejiyasam na doṣaya (SB 10.33.29). Just as the sun, because it is very, very powerful, nothing can infect it. These are the dangers already there. So of course, if you want to keep one in very exalted post, at the same time, if you want to find fault with him, then that is not good. That is not good. That is also stated, that arcye viṣṇau śilā-dhir guruṣu nara-matiḥ (Padma Purāṇa). If somebody thinks that the Deity is made of stone and he criticizes, that is not allowed. If one thinks spiritual master as ordinary human being, that is not allowed. Arcye viṣṇau śilā-dhir guruṣu nara-matiḥ. So those who are in highly exalted post of the state, you cannot find out fault with him. That is real Vedic way. Otherwise, if he is taken as ordinary citizen, then he is . . . what is the meaning of his exalted post?