Prabhupāda: Therefore everything is limited. Under condition you can see. So what is your seeing? Imperfect seeing. If the sun rises, then you can see. That also not correctly. So what is the value of your seeing? You say: "We want to see God." And what is the value of your seeing?
Karandhara: Well, they think they can make machines.
Prabhupāda: That is also imperfect.
Karandhara: They have one machine they have they could see right now . . . infrared telescopes.
Prabhupāda: No, that machine is imperfect. That is also imperfect. That machine is made by imperfect senses, so it is imperfect.
Karandhara: Imperfect, but they think it is becoming more perfect. They're always making it more perfect.
Prabhupāda: That is imperfect. They are becoming more perfect means they are imperfect. Becoming more perfect means their always position is imperfect. That very word means that, that you are perpetually imperfect. (break)
Svarūpa Dāmodara: It is better than doing something than doing nothing.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That dog also doing, jumping, always. Yes, we get . . . "Bow! Bow! Bow! Ra-ra-ra-ra-ra!" That kind of . . . active busy-ness. What is called? Active foolishness. They remain foolish, but still, they are active. That means they are simply creating dangerous position. That's all. Jagataḥ ahitāḥ, it is said in the Bhagavad-gītā. These demons, their progress means only for the mischief of the world. That's all. That is demonic progress. Kṣayāya jagato . . . for the destruction of the world and for mischievous condition of the world, their progress. Is it not? Kṣayāya jagataḥ ahitāḥ (BG 16.9). Kṣayāya means "For destruction and for mischievous condition." Therefore, despite all advancement of so-called scientific knowledge, the world becoming more and more in dangerous and destructive condition. (break)
Svarūpa Dāmodara: . . . gives the medicine. (break)
Prajāpati: Today, the only time they use the word "God" is when they are swearing and they are calling on God to damn someone else. Why is such language there? Why are they doing like that?
Prabhupāda: No. Why ordinary men? Even those who are going to church, they are also praying God, "God, give us our daily bread." These rascals, they have made God as agent for their sense gratification. This is their philosophy. Even from the priest down to the rogues, they have made God as the agent of their sense gratification. That is materialism, "God must supply whatever I want. That is God. Otherwise, I don't care for God." This is their philosophy.
Prajāpati: But sometimes they might hit their thumb with a hammer or something, and they will start swearing, calling on God's name, but in a very bad way.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. God's name, God's . . . in every respect, these materialists, they want to use God for their sense gratification. That is the prime factor. Our philosophy is that, "God is not agent for your sense gratification, but you are agent for God's satisfaction." That is our philosophy. Just the opposite. Even so-called religionists, they also take God as the agent of their sense gratification. They go to church to order God, "Supply our bread." Actually, He is doing. God is supplying bread. But they go for ordering that, "Give us our . . ." The rascal does not know God is already supplying. Why should we go to church for ordering Him to supply bread? He is already supplying, even to the cats and dogs. They do not know what is the purpose of going to the church. That is going on.
That is the disease, material disease, "I want to satisfy my senses, and anyone who will help me in my sense gratification, I shall worship him. If he does not, then I shall not." Everywhere. This Nixon became president because he promised that, "I shall satisfy your senses." Now he is not doing so, so "Get out." This is the whole formula, material world, "You satisfy my senses, you are my friend. And as soon as stop, then you are not my friend." That's it. (break) . . . so considered the most authoritative because they give sense gratification, "You are sick. Now you are unable to gratify your senses. I give you some medicine so you become strong and go on with your sense gratification." Therefore doctor is very good man.