Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: From the very beginning. First you asked for land. That was refused. Then you sent money, but for three years—nothing. I think you sent money twice.
Prabhupāda: So many things also.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Then we were even stopped by the elements, when we went . . . you took us, and we went and stayed at Devānanda Gauḍīya Maṭha. But the rain suddenly came so strongly, (Prabhupāda chuckles) we could . . .
Prabhupāda: Could not cross to the other side.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No. Then you said: "Perhaps Kṛṣṇa wants us to establish in Vṛndāvana and not Māyāpur." So you were going to send me to see this Madan Mohan to try to negotiate.
Prabhupāda: Anyway, forget the past. Push forward.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I think you once said that sometimes Kṛṣṇa tests to see how sincerely the devotee is determined.
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa not only tests but punishes those who are criminals.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Criminals.
Prabhupāda: Like Kṛṣṇa punished Durvāsā Muni. He was criminal against Ambarīṣa Mahārāja. Kṛṣṇa never tolerates. Vaiṣṇava may tolerate. Kṛṣṇa will never tolerate.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I'm going to go now to . . . (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . without guidance of spiritual master.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Blind. We are blind, for sure.
Prabhupāda: Everyone is blind.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Especially we are the most blind. Your vision is the most keen.
Śatadhanya: That is the feature of your particular mercy. You have taken the most blind, the most fallen, hopeless, and you are succeeding in guiding them.
Prabhupāda: All right.