Prabhupāda: Human calculation.
Scholar: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Then it is alright.
Indonesian Scholar: Four million three thous . . . four, three, two . . .
Prabhupāda: About forty-three. About forty-three hundred thousands of years.
Scholar: Forty-three.
Prabhupāda: Hundred thousands of years. That makes it yuga.
Scholar: Yuga, yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And Brahmā's daytime is such forty-three hundred thousands of years multiplied by one thousand.
Scholar: By one thousand.
Prabhupāda: Forty-three hundred thousands of years multiplied by one thousand. So forty-three hundred thousand . . . that forty-three, five zero, and again three zero. Then how . . . what it comes?
Scholar: Forty-three millions.
Prabhupāda: Eh? Forty-three, five zero . . . upon forty-three, add eight zeros. Then what it comes to?
Scholar: Ah.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Scholar: (Indonesian) Billion. Four billions of years. Four billion years.
Prabhupāda: Four billion years is twelve hours of Brahmā's life.
Scholar: (laughs) Just one day only.
Prabhupāda: One day only. Similarly, one night. Then one day.
Scholar: So we have got eight billion years, one day of Brahmā.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So that is the calculation.
Scholar: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So things are very complicated, and people should understand very rightly. They are . . . they are frog philosophy. Frog philos . . . we say frog philosophy. Frog philosophy means that a frog who lives in the well, he has got experience of water, three cubic feet. And if he's given to understand that there is Atlantic Ocean, it is very difficult for him to understand. So on the whole, it is . . . but it is not very completely explained. And our point is this . . . or at least it will give some idea of the Bhagavad-gītā to the people.
Scholar: Yes.
Prabhupāda: But still it has to be expanded, it has to be more explicitly ex . . . advertised. No. So our point is this, that we are trying to spread this knowledge of Bhagavad-gītā. This Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement means that we are spreading the knowledge of Bhagavad-gītā. So this is a worldwide organization, and you know something about us, about this movement. So this part of the world . . . this is Southeast Asia?
Scholar: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Southeast Asia. Why not combine it, join together, and scientifically preach this cult of Kṛṣṇa consciousness? People will be very glad to accept it.
Scholar: What is the place of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam here, in this movement?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Scholar: Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam?
Prabhupāda: Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is . . . the Bhagavad-gītā is the preliminary study of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Just like before learning any literature, one has to read the first book, A-B-C-D. The Bhagavad-gītā is the A-B-C-D. It is just beginning of understanding of what is God. A-B-C-D. When one has passed the entrance examination, then he gets the opportunity of studying Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. In the Bhagavad-gītā the last instruction is, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja (BG 18.66). That Kṛṣṇa, the Supreme Lord, is explaining Himself, and at last He says that, "You surrender unto Me." That is the most confidential part of knowledge.
So if one has surrendered to Kṛṣṇa, then he is admitted in the college of studying Bhāgavata. Before that, he has no place. Just like without passing entrance examination, nobody's admitted in the college course. Similarly, without understanding Bhagavad-gītā perfectly well, one cannot understand what is Bhāgavata. Bhāgavata is the graduate study. So this Vedānta-sūtra, the Vedānta-sūtra is the summarized study of all Vedic knowledge. And Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is the explanation of Vedānta-sūtra.
So people are in darkness about this great knowledge of the science of God all over the world. They are misled. They're being misled. Misled in this way: that this human form of life is specially meant for understanding God. The animals are not meant for this . . . (indistinct) . . . but the present leaders, they're keeping all human being in the animal condition of life. Their chance of becoming conscious about God is being sacrificed, being misled, by so-called economic development, plans. All this economic development means they're meant for this bodily comforts. Any department of knowledge at the present moment, they're simply aiming at giving some artificial comfort to this body. But these rascals, they do not care to know that however I keep this body comfortably, I'll have to give it up. And after giving up this body, what is my next position they do not know. They do not know. This is darkness. This is darkness.
So this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is a educational movement to give enlightenment to the people at large to understand the values of life. Not to live like animals—eating, sleeping, sex life and dying. This is animal life. So this is the best humanitarian welfare activities: to make people understand scientifically what he is, what is God, what is our relationship with God. So the Bhagavad-gītā is the preliminary study of this science. So this should be presented very scientifically, one who knows perfectly well about this Bhagavad-gītā. These are the crucial point, that one . . . Kṛṣṇa says, imaṁ vivasvate yogaṁ proktavān aham avyayam (BG 4.1). There's so many very touch point. If they are not very . . . explained nicely, people will remain in darkness.
Scholar: But we think in the present day, Indonesians, we think about harmonizing spiritual and material aspects of life. This our states here, what they . . .
Prabhupāda: No. No. Harmonize means . . . first of all you must know what is harmonization. Harmonization means that this material life means bodily concept of life. This is material life: "I am this body." Generally people think like that, "I am Indonesian," "I am American," "I am Hindu," "I am Muslim." And they take care of the country where he's born. Yasyātma-buddhiḥ kuṇape tridhātuke sva-dhīḥ kalatrādiṣu bhauma ijyadhīḥ (SB 10.84.13).
But this conception, bodily conception of life, has made the whole human society like cats and dogs. "It is my land. It is my . . ." Just like a dog, as soon as another dog comes. "Gow-gow-gow-gow. Why you have come here? Why you have come here?" So this, this kind of harmonization is dog civilization.
Scholar: Well, I think it's the . . .
Prabhupāda: No. No. No. You cannot . . . first of all we have to understand what is spiritual value of life. Then we can harmonize. If you do not know what is spiritual life, then what you can harmonize? That is the teaching of Bhagavad-gītā. In the beginning, when Arjuna accepted Kṛṣṇa as guru, then He began to explain about the value of life. Dehino 'smin yathā dehe kaumāraṁ yauvanam (BG 2.13).