Umāpati: I have tried to put your Bhagavad-gītā into some schools, and they say: "Well," some of them, if they do have a Bhagavad-gītā, they say: "Well, we have a Bhagavad-gītā." I say: "This is an entirely different understanding of the Bhagavad-gītā," and they say: "Well, it's just somebody else's opinion, and we don't have that much interest in a variety of opinions on the same book."
Prabhupāda: It is not the opinion. We are placing the . . . as it is, without opinion.
Umāpati: Well. Those are those terms. It is very difficult to overcome those . . .
Prabhupāda: So preaching is always difficult. That I have repeatedly saying. You cannot take preaching very easy-going. Preaching must be fight. Do you mean to say fighting is easy thing? Fighting is not easy thing. Whenever there is fight, there is danger, there is responsibility. So preaching means . . . what is the preaching? Because people are ignorant, we have to enlighten them. That is preaching.
Nara-nārāyaṇa: When you came to the Western world, no one anywhere believed that it would be successful, I think. But actually it has become very successful, by preaching.
Prabhupāda: I myself did not believe I shall be successful, (laughs) what to speak of others. But because I did in the proper line, so it has become successful.
Yaśomatīnandana: Yes, Kṛṣṇa is so kind that we expect something and He gives us hundred times more.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Yaśomatīnandana: So if we simply follow your instruction, then I am sure that it will come out glorious.
Nara-nārāyaṇa: So if we are in the proper line, then our political activities also can become successful?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Why not? Kṛṣṇa was in politics. So Kṛṣṇa consciousness means all-round: social, political, philosophical, religious, cultural—everything. It is not one-sided. They take it as . . . they do not know. Therefore they are thinking it is a religious movement. No, it is all-including. All-including, all-pervasive.
Umāpati: Well, they have incorporated a particular philosophy into the Constitution requiring separation of Church and State, what they call separation of Church and State in this country.
Prabhupāda: Yes, this is . . . we have already separated. Cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā: brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra. That is already separated.
Umāpati: So there are certain restrictions about religious organizations entering politics.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Umāpati: There are certain restrictions about religious organizations entering politics.
Prabhupāda: So what does it mean? Christians, they do not take part in politics?
Umāpati: Well, they can't do it as . . .
Karandhara: Not the churches.
Prabhupāda: No, not the churches. Our gṛhasthas will take part. The sannyāsīs will give advice. Directly the gṛhasthas will fight. Gṛhastha . . . not gṛhastha. There should be an administrative class. That is . . . now it is prescribed in the Bhagavad-gītā, there should be four classes: brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya, śūdra. Now, it is spoken by God. Therefore it should be rejected? Does it mean? God is for everything. What is this nonsense? And Kṛṣṇa acted as kṣatriya. Therefore He should not be God? Is that very good argument? God is all-inclusive. And religion means God's word, carrying out God's word. That is religion. So how you can make separate?
Karandhara: Well, you can't, but they do.