Prabhupāda: Yes. This transcendental sound is a process of cleansing our mind. This is also transcendental sound. This is not ordinary sound. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam (CC Antya 20.12). The whole thing is due to our unclean mind. So this transcendental sound is the process of cleaning the mouth, and in clean . . . in clean mind, we can accept transcendental subject. Otherwise it is sometimes disturbing. So this . . .
Guest: Cleanse the mind.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes?
Devotee: In other words, you don't want to negate the senses?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Devotee: In other words, there's no negation of the senses?
Prabhupāda: No negation?
Devotee: Of the senses.
Prabhupāda: Senses. Yes. Here . . . senses . . . we have got our transcendental senses. Now it is covered. Just like in our diseased condition, the same hand, the same nose, same ear are there, but we feel something extraordinary. "Oh, my . . . there is headache. Oh, my hand is burning, burning. Oh!" But when the disease is cured, then you don't feel that sensation. So senses we have got. That is our spiritual senses. So we have to revive our spiritual senses.
We are not senseless. As spirit soul, we have got our original senses, but that senses are now covered by this material contamination. Just like my senses, my hand burns during fever, due to the fever. But when the fever is moved, removed, when I get free from the fever attack, then I feel nice. Similarly, we have got our senses; when we are freed from this material contamination, then we have got our proper use of the sense and enjoyment. We have to wait for that purpose. And if our . . . if we, in our diseased condition, we go on satisfying the senses, then the disease will be aggravated.
For the present, we have to control the senses, saṁyatendriya, just to get us cured from this material disease. That is the way. You have not to kill your senses. That is not given. Because your hand is burning due to some disease, oh, if the physician says: "All right, cut off this hand," oh, that is not treatment. The treatment is that sensation, that burning sensation, should be cured. Hand should live as it is.
So we are . . . we have got all desires, we have got all senses, spiritually. And we have to revive that. And that Kṛṣṇa consciousness will help us to revive our original status of senses. And that original status of senses, that sense of enjoyment, will be spiritual enjoyment. That will give us real . . . sukham atyantikaṁ yat atīndriya-grāhyam (BG 6.21).
You'll find in the Bhagavad-gītā that happiness, happiness perceived by the senses, is beyond these material senses.
And in the Nārada-bhakti-sūtra also you'll find that hṛṣīkeṇa hṛṣīkeśa-sevanaṁ bhaktir ucyate. Sarvopādhi-vinirmuktaṁ tat-paratvena nirmalam (CC Madhya 19.170). When our senses are freed from all designation . . . just like due to fever I am feeling some extra sensation in my hand. That is a designation. When that designation is freed, then I come to my normal state.
Similarly, at the present moment, due to this covering of material body, I have got different designative sensation. Designative sensation. I am feeling I am, I am just using my senses under some designation. So we have to get free from this designation. That is the whole spiritual process. You haven't got to kill your senses. That will help you when you are in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
(break) . . . which are beyond the topics. Just like we also talk something on some subject matter, Kṛṣṇa consciousness is the highest knowledge. So we have heard so many things about this. If there is any doubt about that, I mean to say, statement you can ask me. That was my point. Otherwise, any question . . .
Devotee: That's what I . . . that's what I was talking about.