Pṛthu-putra: So many people they came, seeing things.
Prabhupāda: They came. Nobody could see, only he could see. This is bogus. You should never encourage it. This is bogus, that's all. If somebody comes, everyone will see. And if I see only, nobody can see . . . this is bogus. Don't encourage these bogus things.
Pṛthu-putra: I'm not encouraging these things.
Prabhupāda: "Only he could see." He's so advanced, his eyes are only fit to see that and nobody, others. That is bogus. Others have also eyes. But "Oh, he has got transcendental eyes."
Pṛthu-putra: No, it wasn't like this. It's not seen like this. It's not a question of transcendental eyes.
Prabhupāda: That is bogus. Not only he; there are many. They'll simply repeat that. There are many. They come . . . many devotees, our Life Members, big, big men, they come, "Swāmījī, I experienced like this. Some man came. Some boy came." Means real purpose is that he wants to prove that he is already connected with higher planetary system. I have got many experiences. They say like that.
Pṛthu-putra: Yes. I have met also Life Members saying things like this recently here.
Prabhupāda: So simply hear them. That's all. One big barrister, he was my friend; he is dead—M. C. Chatterji. He's a very big barrister. He used to charge sixteen thousand rupees for one appearance. So he was stating about when . . . that he came to Vṛndāvana, and he met one boy, and "He asked me some sweets, I gave Him sweet. Later on, when I was coming back to Delhi, I saw that boy was running on the train." He said. Such a big barrister, he said like that. "Oh, He was so . . ." Posturing like this. What can I say? "Kṛṣṇa as cowherd boy was running after you in the train?" This is going on. Another friend's wife, she came to Jagannātha Purī. So Jagannātha Purī, those who are rich men, they are allowed to go near the Jagannātha. So that lady said that, "While I was circumambulating, Jagannātha was snatching my cloth." Jagannātha became so much attached with that blackish woman that He began to snatch his cloth. So many stories I know. So what can be said? "Why did you not remain with Jagannātha? Why you came back?" This is going on. So I have got experience of many such stories. Kṛṣṇa as cowherd boy was running with his train—I have to take. And Jagannātha was snatching her cloth. They are very poisonous things. I was never fortunate with such incidences. I am simply trying to carry out the order of my Guru Mahārāja. That's all.
Pṛthu-putra: It was never such story as people having contact with Kṛṣṇa, anything like this. That never went on. That was never going on.
Satsvarūpa: I asked why these visitations are not mentioned in your books, people from the subtle plane. And one answer I was given is that if you wrote this in your books, then too many devotees would try to contact these persons; but that you do approve of it, but you don't want to put it in your books. But I thought, no, you put everything in your books.
Pṛthu-putra: Yes. Everything is in the books.
Satsvarūpa: These are the things I heard.
Prabhupāda: Tell them this, that "Whatever it may be, you do your duty. That's all."
Pṛthu-putra: That's clear, very clear.
Prabhupāda: These sahajiyās will come out of so many devotees. What can be done? From my Guru Mahārāja's disciples, so many sahajiyās came. These are called sahajiyās. Very easily they capture thing. So my Guru Mahārāja used to say: "When my disciples will be sahajiyā, it will be more dangerous." He used to say like that. Take things very easily. You know that Puruṣottama, supposed to be my Godbrother?
Pṛthu-putra: No.
Prabhupāda: You don't know?
Pṛthu-putra: In Māyāpur?
Prabhupāda: In Vṛndāvana.
Pṛthu-putra: In Vṛndāvana. Ah, yes. Puruṣottama, yes. I saw him once.
Prabhupāda: He has poisoned this Nitāi.
Pṛthu-putra: Oh. Is it because we have the desire coming in contact with such person that we contact them, like Nitāi contacting that Puruṣottama?
Prabhupāda: You may not desire, but if you are not strong, you'll be misled by these rascals. But if we follow this instruction, Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura, āra nā koriho mane āśā, oh, then you become strong. Then you will remain strong. Our bhakti line is anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam (Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu 1.1.11). We should be completely zero of our material desires. Anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyam. Śūnyam means zero.