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Kalpana is not faith, it is blind. "Let me imagine some form of Krsna." And therefore gradually, they come down to the position that any form you imagine as God, that is all right. They (mayavadis) have come to this degradation

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"kalpana is not faith, it is blind. "Let me imagine some form of Kṛṣṇa." And therefore gradually, they come down to the position that any form you imagine as God, that is all right. They have come to this degradation"

Conversations and Morning Walks

1976 Conversations and Morning Walks

Prabhupāda: Yes. Faith with good knowledge, that is nice. If you have good knowledge of Kṛṣṇa and you have faith, that is very good. But if you . . . just like Māyāvādīs, they say: "Imagine Kṛṣṇa as God." They say: "Imagine." Doctor: That is no good. Prabhupāda: They are no good. Kalpana. They say kalpana. Sādhakānāṁ gitarthaya brahma-rūpa-kalpana. Rūpa-kalpana. But Kṛṣṇa's rūpa is not kalpana; it is fact. So kalpana is not faith, it is blind. "Let me imagine some form of Kṛṣṇa." And therefore gradually, they come down to the position that any form you imagine as God, that is all right. They have come to this degradation.

Prabhupāda: Yes, that is the first instruction in the Bhagavad-gītā, that first of all, try to understand what is the person. So because we have no eyes to see, indirectly, dehino 'smin yathā dehe kaumāram . . . (BG 2.13). Na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre (BG 2.20). Antavanta ime dehā nityasyoktāḥ śarīriṇaḥ (BG 2.18). So many things. Nainaṁ dahati pāvakaḥ. So many indirect way because we cannot directly perceive.Doctor: Nainaṁ chindanti śastrāṇi nainaṁ dahati pāvakaḥ (BG 2.23).Prabhupāda: What is called? Definition by negation. Nainaṁ chindanti—negation. So that you can have some idea.Doctor: Of what it is.Prabhupāda: It is not material. Because matter, chindanti, any matter, it can be destroyed. It can be cut into pieces, it can be melted in fire, it can be moistened. So when we cannot understand things, it is given in the definition of negation.Doctor: But then it's much better to worship God in form.Prabhupāda: Yes, that is intelligence. If you accept Kṛṣṇa immediately, man-manā bhava mad . . . then your life is successful. Kṛṣṇa says, man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru, mām evaiṣyasi asaṁśaya (BG 18.65), He said. But they are not interested. Avajānanti māṁ mūḍhāḥ (BG 9.11). "Ah, Kṛṣṇa is a historical person. Why shall I think of Him? I shall think of oṁkāra." You cannot think of oṁkāra. You can hear. And as soon as you think of oṁkāra, it comes form. There is no impersonality. It again becomes personal. So they want to avoid personality and as well as think of Him—it becomes a very troublesome job. Kleśo 'dhikataras teṣām avyaktāsakta-cetasām (BG 12.5). They cannot think of avyakta, impersonal. But they are trying to think of. And that is a very troublesome job. Kleśala eva avaśiṣyate. Such attempt means he simply gets the result of his hard endeavor. That's all. He doesn't get any substance.Doctor: So with faith accept the . . .Prabhupāda: No faith—it is fact. Faith is blind.Doctor: Faith is blind.Prabhupāda: Yes. Faith with good knowledge, that is nice. If you have good knowledge of Kṛṣṇa and you have faith, that is very good. But if you . . . just like Māyāvādīs, they say: "Imagine Kṛṣṇa as God." They say: "Imagine."Doctor: That is no good.Prabhupāda: They are no good. Kalpana. They say kalpana. Sādhakānāṁ gitarthaya brahma-rūpa-kalpana. Rūpa-kalpana. But Kṛṣṇa's rūpa is not kalpana; it is fact. So kalpana is not faith, it is blind. "Let me imagine some form of Kṛṣṇa." And therefore gradually, they come down to the position that any form you imagine as God, that is all right. They have come to this degradation.Doctor: That you can, any form . . .Prabhupāda: Yes. Any form you imagine that he is God, that will give you success. They say like that.Doctor: I think I have taken too much of time.Prabhupāda: I am going there at six.Doctor: Words of enlightenment.Hari-śauri: Have you got any of Prabhupāda's books?Doctor: I have got some. I bought all the volumes of translation of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. I have got all of them. But some of them have not arrived from United States, the latest ones. And I have got . . .Hari-śauri: Bhagavad-gītā. That's very nice.Prabhupāda: You are staying in New Delhi?Doctor: I stay in the Hague and come to New Delhi when there are no cases.Prabhupāda: Hague?Doctor: Holland.Prabhupāda: Holland. That is the international court?Doctor: Yes, the court case located, the headquarters.Prabhupāda: I went somewhere, that is also international. In Geneva, I think. Is there any . . .?Doctor: Geneva is another headquarters of the . . . of the United Nations. New York, Geneva. But the court is in the Hague.Prabhupāda: So I went to that place in Geneva.Doctor: Geneva has got so many specialized agencies of the United Nations, like the I.L.O. and so on.Prabhupāda: Do you think United Nation is making any tangible progress?Doctor: Sir, it at least brings people together under one umbrella to discuss. If you did not have that . . .Prabhupāda: But discussion, that I have already explained.Doctor: Sir, maybe, but if you don't discuss, you'll fight. Because if aim we don't meet at all, then they will have the struggle.Prabhupāda: No. If you have no idea how to come to the conclusion, ciraṁ vicinvan (SB 10.14.29), you can forever go on discussing, you'll never come . . . you do not know what is the aim. Na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇuṁ durāśayā ye bahir-artha-māninaḥ (SB 7.5.31).Doctor: May be so, but if two people instead of coming to blows come together to talk, it is a step in the right direction.Prabhupāda: No right direction, because he does not know what is the aim.Doctor: They both want to have peace, so they at least try to . . .Prabhupāda: Everyone wants that. But if he does not know how to attain peace, then you'll go on discussing forever. That is going on.Doctor: But it is still a step in the right direction . . .Prabhupāda: I don't think there is any advancement.

Page Title:Kalpana is not faith, it is blind. "Let me imagine some form of Krsna." And therefore gradually, they come down to the position that any form you imagine as God, that is all right. They (mayavadis) have come to this degradation
Compiler:Soham
Created:2023-02-02, 13:27:14
Totals by Section:BG=0, SB=0, CC=0, OB=0, Lec=0, Con=1, Let=0
No. of Quotes:1