God is supplying the necessities of life. That is His condition. Suppose you are giving me all necessities of life. Then it is . . . the best part of my valor is to live under your control. That's all. I cannot be independent. It is not possible. That is the wrong philosophy, that these rascals are thinking of complete independence. That means they are becoming more and more conditioned by this material external energy.
Yogeśvara: Their program is that if a child's problems comes from the wrong kind of conditioning, then he should be given the opportunity in childhood of a good family, good education and so on, and that way there won't be bad reaction later on in life.
Prabhupāda: That means he should be given chance for better conditioning. Conditioning must go on. It cannot be said that, "Let the child be given freedom." No.
Yogeśvara: Yeah, that's what they say. They say it's freedom when there is a lack of bad conditioning.
Prabhupāda: That is . . . bad conditioning, good conditioning, where is freedom? From bad conditioning you are suggesting good conditioning. That is not freedom. Just like you are in the prison house, you are badly conditioned, but the so-called freedom—you are still conditioned under the laws of the state. You are not free. But from bad conditioning to good conditioning. And if you obey the state laws, then you are good citizen. But you are conditioned. How you think of freedom? That is your foolishness. Just like a servant, he is in some mercantile firm; he is trying to seek out some government service. But he cannot be free.
Yogeśvara: So in other words, they would say your idea is to give them a better conditioning, give them a better situation.