Prabhupāda: Śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ (SB 2.3.19).
Girirāja: Well, he agreed that the modern civilization is a failure and that people are not happy, that people were more happy before.
Prabhupāda: It is a dangerous civilization. You . . . you should . . . (pause as things are moved around) Dangerous civilization that labdhvā su-durlabham idaṁ bahu-sambhavānte (SB 11.9.29). After many, many millions of years one gets the chance of becoming a human being, especially civilized and especially in India. They will bring the same. And Kṛṣṇa personally says that if this chance is missed and a person does not become God realized, then he again returns back to the . . . to the . . . today I am a prime minister—tomorrow, if I become a dog, what is this civilization? And they will have to become. Nature's law we cannot avoid. And there is no question, "Why you are touching me? I am prime minister." Who cares for you? You have to take account of your activities, karmaṇā daiva-netreṇa (SB 3.31.1). So human life is so important, and we are simply wasting this valuable life with this temporary adjustment of so-called happiness or distress—big, big plans. Simply bluffing. Indira Gandhi, one daridrāṇaṁ hatā: "Poverty drive away." Now she is poverty-stricken. "Oh, you want to drive away poverty? Now drive away your own poverty. Where is your position? How you can drive away? You do not dare to come out, twelve nights." Within one day. Who has made it? This is possible for everyone. Why do they not care, this important knowledge? This knowledge is India's knowledge, and India government is callous. They are not interested in distributing this knowledge. Sarasvatī jñāna-khale yathā satī (SB 10.2.19). Just like a person who has got enough knowledge, but he does not give it to others, it is to check the flame. Such a risky civilization. The knowledge is there, and people are kept in darkness. What is this? Tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ (BG 2.13). So we are the only friends, within this world, of the human society.
Girirāja: That's true. It's a fact.
Prabhupāda: This should be recognized. And sober men, leaders, they should come forward. And India's this vast knowledge will be . . . that is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mission.
Girirāja: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Paropakāra. They have got this opportunity how to get out of this entanglement of being covered by the material body, and they are not being given the chance. And we are giving the chance so easy. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanaṁ bhava-mahā-dāvāgni . . . (CC Antya 20.12). Bhava-mahā-dāvāgni, the same thing. Bhava-mahā-dāvāgni. This repetition of birth and death, it is the blazing fire of material existence. So when one understands that "What is my position?" then he'll do this, ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam, clear understanding, "Oh . . ." What is this nonsense nationality? Today I am Indian; tomorrow I am a dog. Where is my nation? Where is my family? Where is my father? Where is my mother? So to become mad after these things is my business, or to get out of this material entanglement is my business? And we have got so much facilities. Kṛṣṇa is instructing, Himself. Caitanya Mahāprabhu is teaching personally how to live. And we are not taking advantage? What a suicidal policy. And they are becoming leader, Jayapataka Narayan and this . . . what is that?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Jaya Prakash Narayan.
Prabhupāda: Jaya Prakash Narayan. Morarji Desai, Indira Gandhi, and . . . what they'll do? Churchill and this and Napoleon, Hitler. Simply misguiding, whole history. Simply misguiding. They are rascals. They do not know what is what, and they lead. Gandhi . . . all rascals. Vivekananda and Sai Baba, this, that, so many. They should be stopped. That is real philanthropic activities. Where is . . .? Now we are going to show this planetarium. These rascal scientists: "All desert. All rocks and desert." Simply this planet, for his father's property. This is now happening. "The moon planet is a desert." And from the desert such brilliant light is coming that is illuminating at night the whole universe. And we have to believe it because they are spoken by scientists. You see? All rascals, fools, rogues, thieves, they are leading. And our determination is to stop these rascals, rascal leaders. That is our . . . it is not that "Let the rascals go on with their . . . let us make our own salvation." Prahlāda Mahārāja said: "No, no, no, I don't want. I don't want. If there is salvation, I must take them also." This is Vaiṣṇava. "I don't want such salvation for my personal . . ." This is Vaiṣṇava, para-duḥkha-duḥkhī. Para-duḥkha-duḥkhī kṛpāmbudhir yas tam ahaṁ prapadye (CC Madhya 6.254). Naturally a Vaiṣṇava will be unhappy. Śoce tato vimukha-cetasa indriyārtha-māyā-sukhāya bharam udvahato vimūḍhān (SB 7.9.43). You know this verse? So we must know that these so-called leaders . . . just see. He could not do it nicely.