Young woman: The other man can . . .
Prabhupāda: That is possible. That is the yogic perfection. If anyone . . . there are eight kinds of yogic perfection, and one is called prāpti. Prāpti means if actually a man is in yogic perfection, he can immediately have whatever he wants. That is possible.
Young woman: How do you measure . . .
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Young woman: . . . your liberation from the laws of nature.
Prabhupāda: Well, that, as you replace yourself to Kṛṣṇa consciousness . . . you are under the laws of nature because you are material conscious. Just like one who is in criminal consciousness, he's committing criminal activities and going to jail. It is the change of consciousness.
The same man, if he changes his criminal consciousness, then he's no more subjected to go to the jail. Similarly, liberation means if you become complete in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then you are liberated. All right. Have saṅkīrtana.
(kīrtana) (Prabhupāda leads prema-dhvanī) Thank you very much.
Devotee: (offers obeisances)
Prabhupāda: Give me that paper. Distribute prasādam. (break) . . . this appreciation one thing. And another thing is how to produce a flower like Kṛṣṇa with my energy. Do you follow? Two attempt. One is appreciation of Kṛṣṇa's energy, how great He is, that simply by His desire, His energies are so perfect that it is producing such nice flower. This is appreciation. And another thing is, how shall I get that power, yogic power, so that as soon as I desire, there may be a rose flower.
Now, suppose I attain that power, to produce with my desire a rose flower. In Benares there was a yogī, Viśuddhānanda Sarasvatī. Whoever used to come to him, he would at once take a plate and give him, and at once he'll find two nice sweetmeat. So by this extraordinary power, many learned scholars and professors and big men: "Oh, he is a great yogī.