Yamunā: Tora. Tora is one of the biggest, and he helped more than anybody. He would come home, and she would read to them from the Bhāgavatam. But he would tell her, "Oh, if you don't serve Kṛṣṇa, you must serve māyā." And he would say: "That's māyā."
He would tell mother that at seven years old, and he would explain to her. Swāmījī, by the end of our classes, he was actually understanding the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, being able to listen to it and ask questions about it.
Prabhupāda: He gave you questions?
Mālatī: Even at the temple when there would be lectures, and then the lecturer says: "Are there any questions?" Tora would raise his hand, and he'd ask very intelligent questions.
Prabhupāda: Then why not keep him with me, your mother and he? (devotees cheer)
Yamunā: Oh, ho-ho! Haribol!
Prabhupāda: I think your mother will not agree to that (break).
Mālatī: Maybe his mother needs him.
(break) The mother needs Tora to keep her in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. (break)
Prabhupāda: He's going to be a Nārada. Nārada, when he was five years old, he was thinking that "My mother is too much attached to me." And when his mother died, he thought free. "Oh, I am now free."
Janārdana: At the age of five.
Prabhupāda: Yes, at the age of five. And at once he went out. In his previous life. Then from five years till the end of life he cultivated Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and next life he became Nārada.
Yamunā: Oh. (break)
Prabhupāda: I think that is described in the first part of our Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. That story is there, how he convert . . . how he became Nārada. (break)
Mālatī: . . . twice a month he would visit his father. His father is a demon. So Tora carries in his pocket one nice picture of Swāmījī and one nice . . . on the back is written, tava kara kamala vare. And he sits and says that under his breath because if his father heard, his father gets mad.
Prabhupāda: This is the age for injecting Kṛṣṇa consciousness. If children are taught Kṛṣṇa consciousness from this age, the face of the world will be different.
(break) . . . but they are not Hindus. They have got also orphanage like that.
(break) It is very important. "I thought in that way. When my mother died, as the devotees of the Lord think, I also thought in that way. What is that? 'Oh, it is a grace of the Lord. My mother is now dead.' Because she is the, I mean to say, real cause of my nonfreedom. So she is now dead. Then I am free."
It is very contradiction from the materialistic point of view. It is said that bhaktanam śam abhīpsataḥ (SB 1.6.10). "As the devotees think, so I also in that way thought." What is that? Anugrahaṁ manyamānaḥ: "I thought it a special grace of the Supreme Personality of Godhead." Anugrahaṁ manyamānaḥ pratiṣṭhāṁ disam uttaram (SB 1.6.10): "And I at once took leave of my so-called home and went away." So that is the difference between the devotees of the Lord and materialistic person.