Umāpati: Well, in a madhouse, a sane man is the only one considered mad.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Umāpati: In a madhouse, a sane man is the only one considered mad.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Yaśomatīnandana: But that sane man, if he is powerful, he can change the . . .
Prabhupāda: So, "It is folly to be wise where ignorance is bliss." That is already there. So we have to act by the order of Kṛṣṇa, not by the votes of the madmen. Just see the fun. Everyone is under control. Who is free? It is simply illusion. They are thinking, "I am free." Nobody is free. Under the stringent laws of nature, still, he is thinking, "I don't care for God." This is madness. This is madness. Already under the laws of God, but still, he's protesting, "No, I don't care for God. There is no God." So we have to save these madmen from further deterioration. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Umāpati: Can a living entity ever lose his existence?
Prabhupāda: What you have studied in the Bhagavad-gītā?
Umāpati: Well, I have never seen that it's possible.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Umāpati: I have never seen where that's possible.
Prabhupāda: No, what is your understanding from Bhagavad-gītā?
Umāpati: That we are eternal, that we have always been and always will be.
Prabhupāda: Yes, then how you can think of it? Why do you question this?
Umāpati: Well, because God's inconceivable. I just . . . (laughs)
Prabhupāda: No, that is not possible. He is eternal. Na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre (BG 2.20). He is accepting the different types of bodies, but he is eternal. One body finished; that does not mean he is finished. He is transferred to another body according to his desire. He is never finished. Nityaḥ śāśvato 'yaṁ na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre (BG 2.20).