Prabhupāda: Yes. One who knows that these material things, it has got a beginning and it has got an end . . . in every day we see that. Even with our body we see that it has a beginning and it has an end. I have seen my father was born and he died. So I am also born; I'll also die. My son is also born, my son will die. This is real experience. But if somebody says that, "I shall not die. We are trying to become immortal," so that is foolishness. That is foolishness. By experience from time immemorial, historical reference, there is no such thing as immortality. But if somebody says, "By chemical evolution we shall become immortal . . ."
Our Kṛṣṇa consciousness proposition is that human life is meant for actual knowledge, or ultimate knowledge. But these rascals are checking that progress. That means the prerogative of human life is being denied to the human society. So this kind of hindrances should be stopped, either by soliciting or even by force, because the human society is being ruined. These things have to be stopped. Therefore I was inquiring that, "Why America went to Vietnam?" To stop Communism. But that sort of stopping will not make any solution. We have to stop demoniac civilization. Then the human society will be happy and in normal condition. (break)
Prajāpati: As soon as we define what demoniac civilization is, then no one will support us, because they'll see that they are, themselves, are demons.
Prabhupāda: Yes, because they are demons they cannot understand. Just like one Christian priest went to some quarters, mine, gold mine. So he was describing that, "If you do not worship Lord Jesus Christ, you will go to hell." So they asked, "What is hell?" So when he began to describe—"It is always wet. It is dark. There is no sufficient airs," so on, so on—they could not understand what is hell because they are already in the hell, in the mine. They could not make any distinction that darkness is a very horrible thing. Similarly, these demons, they cannot understand what is demonic. Āsuraṁ bhāvam āśritāḥ (BG 7.15). What is that āsura-bhāva? Not to accept God. This is āsura-bhāva. This is demonism. This is the basic principle of . . . everyone is trying to deny God. Therefore they are demons. Who was telling that the medical man is considered to be first-class authority?
Devotee: That was Prajāpati.
Prajāpati: That's what people believe. They have more trust in medical men than they do in anything else.
Prabhupāda: Yes. But medical man also does not understand what is that thing missing which makes this body dead. And still, he is placing himself as authority, as scientific man, and people are accepting. That is demonism. He cannot explain. A man is dying. He is applying his scientific processes, what is called, that gas, oxygen gas, and other injection, and in spite of doing all these things, he finds at a moment that the man is dead.
And when you ask him that, "In spite of your all scientific appliances, why the man is dead?" and still, he has become authority. Such foolishness, that this man cannot explain that in spite of all his efforts scientifically, a man is dead. Now what he will answer? He has seen his all kinds of scientific appliances and applied, but the man is dead. Now let him explain why the man is dead. Can he explain?
Prajāpati: Not to our satisfaction.
Prabhupāda: No, no, satisfaction or not satisfaction, what he will answer possibly? Now, you are scientist. You can . . . what he will say?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: He would say that it is above his means.
Prabhupāda: Therefore you are a fool. Why you are becoming authority?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: He will say that, "I have tried my best, but I cannot do it."
Prabhupāda: That's all right. But that means you do not know. A child also tries his best, but he cannot do. That does not mean he becomes authority.