Prabhupāda: If a boy has got alone, without his elder brother, you see, there is anxiety also.
Dr. Patel: Even though they have realized the extraordinary quality of the sun, but they have not been able to think that He is God incarnate.
Prabhupāda: This means these things, these sentiments—anxiety, grief, anger, all these things—they are constant companion with the living entity. You cannot give it up. But when they are used for Kṛṣṇa, that is perfection. That is upādhi-śūnya, without any designation.
Satsvarūpa: Prabhupāda, we are only neophytes. How we can know if our anxiety is still material when we feel anxiety in devotional service?
Prabhupāda: No, no. If you feel anxiety for Kṛṣṇa, then it is not material. That anxiety is not . . . That is love. That is pure love that, . . . why you become anxious for our children? Because there is love. So whole scheme is that you have to transfer your attachment to Kṛṣṇa.
Dr. Patel: All bhakti should be directed to the sacred feet of Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. Mayy āsakta-manāḥ pārtha yogaṁ yuñjan (BG 7.1). This is called bhakti-yoga. Mayy āsakta. The aśakti, the attachment, is for so many things. Now we have to concentrate it on Kṛṣṇa. This is bhakti-yoga. Mayy āsakta manāḥ pārtha yogaṁ yuñjan mad-āśrayaḥ. Simply by this concentration of an attraction to Kṛṣṇa, you become liberated. This is the process.
Dr. Patel: First you must perfect your thinking of Kṛṣṇa. Then you think of Kṛṣṇa . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. When you think of Kṛṣṇa, you are on the transcendental position. You are not in the material world. Māṁ ca vyabhicāriṇi bhakti-yogena yaḥ sevate, sa guṇān samatītya etān (BG 14.26). He is immediately transcendental to all the qualities of material world.
Dr. Patel: Then he becomes brahma-bhūta.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So if you continuously . . . that is our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. If you continuously remain yourself thinking of Kṛṣṇa, smārtavyaḥ satato viṣṇu vismārtavyo na jātucit (Padma Purāṇa, Uttara-khaṇḍa 71.100). This is the process: You have to think of Kṛṣṇa always. The yogīs and others, they artificially, for a certain time, fifteen minutes, twenty minutes or half an hour, they think of Kṛṣṇa by meditation, and they engage again in the material activities. But here . . .
Dr. Patel: The yogīs have got difficulty because they get . . . (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . helpful to bhakti.
Dr. Patel: That is why they are . . . I am getting sidetracked.
Prabhupāda: They think that these are the processes, mechanical process. Kṛṣṇa-bhakti is not mechanical. It is spontaneous. When you spontaneously think of Kṛṣṇa, that is perfection. (break) Abhyabhicāriṇi. (break) Apratihatā. Yena ātmā prasīdati.