Prabhupāda: British is not here now.
Indian man (4): No, they have indoctrined such a philosophy.
Mr. Bajaj: But what was there before British came? This is human weakness of our own.
Prabhupāda: It is . . . you . . . you have been taught that Kṛṣṇa is an ordinary person, maybe little more in knowledge. That you are taking like that. Kūpa-maṇḍuka-nyāya (Nyāya-śāstra). Kūpa-maṇḍa, the toad in the well, he is informed, "Oh, I have seen one Atlantic Ocean." So he is thinking, "Atlantic Ocean may be . . . this well is three feet. It may be four feet. Or five. Come on—ten." These rascals are thinking like that—avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā (BG 9.11)—that "Kṛṣṇa may be more intelligent by one feet or two feet. Let us compromise—ten feet." This is going on. And Kṛṣṇa says, mattaḥ parataraṁ nānyat (BG 7.7): "I am the Supreme." They won't believe. They'll manufacture their ideas. This is going on. Aham ādir hi devānām (BG 10.2). They won't believe that. And still they'll declare, "I am student of Bhagavad-gītā." They won't believe a word of Kṛṣṇa, and they'll say: "I am student of Bhagavad-gītā." This is going on. This is our position. In India everyone says: "I have read Bhagavad-gītā three hundred times," but he does not know even a word. So this should be stopped. If we want to advance actually, you take every word of Bhagavad-gītā and try to apply in life. Then everyone will be happy. That is a fact. The instruction is there. There is no difficulty to understand. There is no question of interpretation. Simply take it as it is and try to apply it in life—you'll be happy. And your human life will be successful. Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti (BG 4.9). Up to this human form of life, we have passed through so many evolutionary process, but if you understand Kṛṣṇa, then, after leaving this body, no more material body.
- janma karma ca divyaṁ
- me yo jānāti tattvataḥ
- tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma
- naiti mām eti . . .
- (BG 4.9)
And that is success. If you simply study Kṛṣṇa, then your life is successful.
Indian man: Sahaj bhav hojaye? If we can develop simple faith in Kṛṣṇa . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes, sahaja. This is sahaja. You are part and parcel of Kṛṣṇa. sahaja, sahaja means you are born along with Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa is neither born, neither you are born. sahaja, this word, means saha-ja, "Along with born." So you are part and parcel. Just like this finger is part and parcel of my body. When I was born, the finger was also born. This is saha-ja. The finger was not separately born. When I was born, the finger was born. So similarly, so long God is there, I am also there. So God is eternal; I am also eternal. You understand this? Then why you are changing bodies? And that is knowledge.