Prabhupāda: Caste system should not be abolished, but it must be properly established. That is wanted. If you have got any defect in the eye, not that the eye should be plucked out. But it should be treated and brought into the normal condition. That is wanted. That we admit. You want to become brāhmaṇa without brahminical qualification. Not only you, everyone wants.
Bhakti-caru: Actually, you told Professor Kotovsky that this caste system is existing everywhere, in every society in the world.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. In the body there is caste system. The head is the brāhmaṇa, the hand is the kṣatriya, the belly is the vaiśya and the leg is the śūdra. Everything head, that will not help. There must be leg also. But it must be conducted under the guidance of the head. Then it is all right. If the head is not there and leg is utilized for jumping, that is monkey's business. The leg must work according to the dictation of the head. The hand must work according to the dictation of the head. "The caste system should be abolished." What is the caste system? There is no caste system. Everyone is śūdra. Who is a brāhmaṇa now, qualified, except one or two in our camp?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The article ends by saying, "Let harijanas be their own pathfinders, and let them lead themselves from darkness to light, from pain to pleasure."
Prabhupāda: That you do not know. Otherwise you would have done it.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: "And from a living hell to tranquillity and joy of life."
Prabhupāda: You do not know how to do it. Otherwise you had done it. You do not know the way. We can teach you. So cooperate with us; we shall fulfill your ambition. That's all right.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I'll have to work on this. It will take a little time to write nicely.
Prabhupāda: Hmm. No, no.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: There is no rush, I think, because . . .
Prabhupāda: We are willing to help them. And we are the only right person who can help them.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's for sure.
Prabhupāda: Nobody knows. If he is serious, let him come and talk with us.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Then we can end the letter to him like that. (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . capture the ideas.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, yeah, very much.
Prabhupāda: Now explain it nicely.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: All right.
Prabhupāda: We can actually help them. Not by imagination, but practical application. And are doing all over the world. (break) In '68 I was alone. And I had to struggle very, very hard, alone. Therefore I got heart attack in 1967. Then that heart attack and regress continued for two years. Whatever is done, it is done from 1969. Before that, I was simply alone struggling to start this mission. (pause) Before that, I came to Bombay.
Indian man: In '69?
Prabhupāda: No, no.
Indian man: '70?
Prabhupāda: '64. I stayed at Morarji's Andheri . . .
Indian man: Andheri House.
Prabhupāda: . . . Colony for his employees.
Indian man: Scindia Steamship.
Prabhupāda: Yes, colony. I stayed there. Sometimes I stayed with one gentleman in Churchgate. He is a banker, Sindhi gentleman. In '65, Sumati Morarji gave me that ticket.
Indian man: You went away then, I think.
Prabhupāda: Hmm. (pause) This is our old system. When one cannot eat, even in invitation, the whole thing, he can take away the balance for his family. Canda-walla. Especially the brāhmaṇas. They will sit down and take everything, and . . .
Indian man: (laughing) Give to their family.
Prabhupāda: People will give more, because he will take to the family.