Reverend Powell: Your people have a serenity that many Western people don't have. What . . . what is the secret of serenity? And is it . . . I gather you reject many material demands, materialism as such.
Prabhupāda: Surrender is not material.
Satsvarūpa: Serenity . . .
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Satsvarūpa: To what do you attribute this serenity that your devotees have, their calmness?
Prabhupāda: Communist?
Satsvarūpa: The devotees seem to be calm, serene. Where does that come from?
Prabhupāda: From Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Yes.
Reverend Powell: From what?
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa consciousness, when one . . .
Reverend Powell: Ah, the consciousness, the Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Yes.
Prabhupāda: Yasyāsti bhaktir bhagavaty akiñcanā. These are the proofs. Yasyāsti bhaktir bhagavaty akiñcanā sarvair guṇais tatra samāsate surāḥ (SB 5.18.12). If one becomes Kṛṣṇa conscious, then he becomes qualified with all godly attributes. That I have explained, that if you be in touch with God, then you become godly. That is the test. Simply by saying that "I am in commune with God," no. There is test. The test means if he is always in touch with God, he'll become, in his characteristics, godly. So they . . . one of the qualification is serenity. Is one of the qualifications. There are twenty-five qualifications of a devotee.