Pradyumna: "The material body is overcast with five kinds of miserable conditions, namely ignorance, material conception, attachment, hatred and absorption. As long as one is overwhelmed with these five kinds of material miseries, there is no question of entering into the Vaikuṇṭhalokas."
Prabhupāda: Another five kinds of misery is pavarga: pa, pha, ba, bha, ma.
Pradyumna: Oh, yes. Pa, pha, ba, bha, ma.
Prabhupāda: Pavarga. And to counteract it is called apavarga. Apavarga-vartmani (SB 3.25.25). So pavarga. Pa means hard labor. If you want to exist here you have to work very, very hard. Just like this man with hard labor collected some money, constructed this house. Now there is no tenant. Another hard labor to find out tenant. Is it not hard labor? (chuckles)
Devotee: Yes.
Prabhupāda: In such important city, these apartments are lying vacant. That means he is earning . . . he has invited us to stay here to get some blessing so that tenants may come. (laughter) Āśīrvāda. Āśīrvāda. He has acquired āśīrvāda. If by the āśīrvāda he can get some tenants, this is . . . all these men, they simply want āśīrvāda. They don't want Kṛṣṇa. They want āśīrvāda so that their nefarious activities may continue peacefully. (laughs)
Sudāmā: Mr. Santanam was the same. He had loaned to me some money for doing some work on the temple. And then when he got promotion in his job, he came to me and said: "Sudāmā, it is by, I think, the mercy of Kṛṣṇa that I have now promotion. Please do not bother paying me the money back."
Prabhupāda: That's nice. But the difficulty is sometimes Kṛṣṇa's āśīrvāda may be just the opposite. Kṛṣṇa will take away. So at that time they become atheist. In Germany there are so many atheists born out of the second war.