Svayambhūr: Advancement. If somebody wants to preach, is that the sign of advancement?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Svayambhūr: That's the first sign.
Prabhupāda: When one is very anxious to preach, that is advancement.
Svayambhūr: And if one is not very anxious to preach, he is not very advanced.
Prabhupāda: Then he should stick to Deity worship very nicely, following the rules and regulations, cleansing. Śrī-vigrahārādhana-nitya-nānā-śṛṅgāra-tan-mandira-mārjanādau. This nitya, you take very seriously.
Svayambhūr: And then when he becomes advanced, then he will . . .
Prabhupāda: Automatically he will be anxious to preach. Automatically.
Svayambhūr: Ultimately.
Prabhupāda: Not ultimately. Automatically.
Svayambhūr: Oh, automatically.
Prabhupāda: Just like in a small time, our that Kṛṣṇa dāsa? (child, son of French pūjārī) He knows English, he knows French, he knows . . . what does it mean? He has heard it; now he'll want to speak. That is the natural sequence. If anyone has listened from the authority about Kṛṣṇa, he wants to speak again. That is preaching. Not that, "I have listened about Kṛṣṇa, that's all right." No. When he wants to speak to others, that is advancement. That is wanted. Śravaṇaṁ kīrtanam. That is the test that he has advanced. Nāma, rūpa, guṇa, līlā, parikara, vasiṣṭha.