Prabhupāda: How long you have come here in Iran?
Ambassador George: Nice to see you again. Not that I have felt that far away.
Prabhupāda: You are looking little reduced than before, in health.
Ambassador George: (laughs) Oh, perhaps slightly older.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) You are not as old as I am. What is your age?
Ambassador George: I am fifty-six.
Prabhupāda: Oh, you are just like my child. My first child was born 1921. What is your birth date?
Ambassador George: That was three years earlier. So there you are.
Prabhupāda: 1918?
Ambassador George: Eighteen.
Prabhupāda: In that year I was married. I was student at that time. I was student, 1900 up to '20. Then I joined Gandhi's noncooperation movement and gave up my education. His points were to give up English education, English court, English-manufactured goods, in this way.
Ambassador George: How did you feel about Gandhijī spiritually?
Prabhupāda: He was a good gentleman, that's all. He had no spiritual asset.
Ambassador George: That's what I wondered. I never met him. I don't know. But he said himself, "I may be a saint among politicians, but I'm a politician among saints." (laughs)
Prabhupāda: He said or the governor said? Anyway, it is . . . Mr. Casey from Australia—he was governor of Bengal—he said, I think, that thing. His study was like that. He was a politician, that's all.
Ambassador George: But God uses whatever material is there, and He used him.
Prabhupāda: No, it was God's desire. You see? Without His desire, otherwise how such a vast British power could be driven away by the noncooperation movement? Of course, it was very nicely planned, because the Britishers were ruling over India by the cooperation of the Indian.