Prabhupāda: Spiritual world means there the Supreme Lord is supreme, nobody else. And all others, they are engaged in His service. This is spiritual world. Here, in the material world, everyone is trying to be master. In the spiritual world there is no such attempt. They know the master is only God, and all others, they are servants. That is the difference between material world and spiritual.
Guest: I think that covers that. Second question. We were talking about that in this documentary, "In Search of Truth." Do you think there is any other way to actually realize God in truth and . . .
Prabhupāda: God can be realized through bhakti, surrender. Otherwise, even it is realized, it is partial, not complete.
Guest: Well, that answers that.
Prabhupāda: Bhakti . . . just like I have got some official servant, and I have got very confidential servant. So to my confidential servant everything is disclosed. He knows everything. But official servant, he may not know everything. Therefore bhakti is the confidential part of understanding God. Otherwise they understand vaguely, impartially, not sufficiently. In the Bhagavad-gītā there is a verse, mayy āsakta-manā pārtha yoga yuñjan mad-āśrayaḥ, samagram, asaṁśaya samagra mā yathā jñās . . . (aside) You can quote it. That is the first śloka of the Seventh Chapter.
Pusta Kṛṣṇa:
- sri bhagavān uvāca
- mayy āsakta-manāḥ pārtha
- yogaṁ yuñjan mad-āśrayaḥ
- asaṁśayaṁ samagraṁ māṁ
- yathā jñāsyasi tac chṛṇu
- (BG 7.1)
"Now hear, O son of Pṛthā, Arjuna, how by practicing yoga in full consciousness of Me, with mind attached to Me, you can know Me in full, free from doubt."
Guest: That answers it. Can I have that . . . chapter . . .
Pusta Kṛṣṇa: Bhagavad-gītā, Seventh Chapter, first text. Seven, one.
Guest: Prabhupāda, I believe that answers all the questions I went through before that. We'd just like to say it's been very nice to meet you.
Prabhupāda: Thank you very much.
Guest: We're both, in our own way, trying to find truth ourselves. It's been . . .
Prabhupāda: Asaṁśa . . . these two words are very important: asaṁśayaṁ, "Without any doubt." Everyone, every religion, they have no doubtless understanding of God. Everyone has some doubt. Neither complete. That is only in bhakti-yoga.