Prabhupāda: Yes, this is proof. Just like the boy is there and the father is there. The boy is going to be father. This is future. Both of them are there. The boy is also going to be the father, and the father is going to be the grandfather. Where there is no future? The rascals, they do not know, say that; but there is future. How can you stop? The boy is going to be father; the father is going to be grandfather. This is future.
Amogha: But then he dies, and they cannot see any future after that.
Prabhupāda: Your seeing has no power. This is no argument, "I cannot see." I cannot see the other side. That does not mean there is nothing. This is all rascaldom. He has become authority: "I want to see." What you can see? Now this is Indian Ocean. The other side there is India, and other islands, but you cannot see it. Does it mean there is nothing? So these are foolish questions. Because they are rascals they put such questions and nonsense. That is the proof that they are rascals. They are simply taking authority his little vision. That's all. What is your vision? Why don't you see what is the other side? But does it mean there is nothing because you cannot see? When one says, "I cannot see," that means he is a rascal number one. He's believing so much upon his seeing. He does not know that he is a most insignificant person, so there is no value of his seeing. That he does not know. Therefore he is a rascal. Is it not? He's believing his eyes so greatly that "I cannot see." And what is the value of your seeing? What you can see?
Amogha: But there are so many people who come to us and say, "Well, we can see." But we don't believe they can see.
Prabhupāda: What they can see? They can see?
Amogha: We don't think anyone can see.
Prabhupāda: No. Nobody can see. Therefore Vedas say your seeing should be through the book of knowledge. That is seeing. Not with your these rascal eyes. What is the value of these rascal eyes? We know that there is, through books, through geography, we know that the other side is India. But not by seeing with these eyes, by touching it or by smelling it. The senses are useless. But these rascals, they depend on the senses—sense perception. Therefore they are rascal. Imperfect sense perception they believe too much. Therefore they are rascals. They do not know the value of senses. Mūḍhā. Paśyati jñāna-cakṣuṣā. That is seeing, jñāna cakṣuṣa, by the eyes of knowledge, not by these imperfect senses. Paśyati jñāna cakṣuṣa. (pause) Everyone is anxious for the future. Why do they keep bank balance? Thinking of future. Why they make insurance? Why they make hospital insurance? Everyone is thinking of future. But because he is rascal, he is thinking simply for this span of life. Tathā dehāntara prāptir (BG 2.13), again you have to accept another body, that they do not know. So rascal. Simply calculating this. . .
Paramahaṁsa: So we accept that, but in the next life we have a new future. This life we have this future, and in the next life we have. . .
Prabhupāda: New future. . . Suppose you become one. . ., what is called? Crab? And enter into this. Will that be a very good future? You have seen so many, what is called, the crab?
Paramahaṁsa: Crab, yes.
Prabhupāda: (makes noise) They know everything—how to defend, how to eat, how to. . . Do you like that life?
Paramahaṁsa: Well I don't like it now, but if I was a crab I might like it.
Prabhupāda: Become a crab. That's all right. This is their solace. This is ignorance. You don't like it, but "When I become crab, I'll like it." That is māyā's covering. Otherwise he cannot live. If the crab thinks that "I was king in my past life. Now I have become a crab," it would be horrible for him. Therefore he forgets. That is a concession of māyā. Forget whatever you had. Just like here they try to forget by drinking, intoxication. That kind of forgetfulness is also happiness for the rascals. Nobody wants to be degraded, but if in degradation one forgets his past life, if that kind of happiness is happiness, you can do it. This is for the fools. The dog forgets that he was a prime minister in his past life, and his statue is now being worshiped in the memorial hall, and he has become a dog. This kind of happiness is happiness, let him take it. Actually it is like that.