Prabhupāda: A girl is pregnant, suppose, then during her pregnancy period, ten months, there is no sex, and unless the child becomes six months old, there is no sex. The thing is that in the modern world, sex life has become the only pleasure. They do not know anything else. Therefore everything is discredited. And another thing is, their afraid of keeping more than one wife for population. But if they produce sufficient food, where is the question of overpopulation? Another thing they have made, especially in the Western world, they don't want to produce food because they know, "We shall kill one animal and eat. Why take so much trouble? Let me increase industry, and I shall push my button, money will come. And the slaughterhouse there. I shall eat." So they are getting money. By money, they are getting women to the choice. They are getting food, meat, and they're enjoying drinking. So money has become the whole thing. "Bring money some way or other and enjoy." This is the purport of civilization. They do not care what is God, that human body is meant for God realization. They have no such ideas. "There is nothing after death. So, so long I am living, let me enjoy by the tongue, by the genital and by the belly. Use the tongue for eating anything which is palatable, which I like, never mind what it is. And then genital also. Bring as many women . . ." This is civilization, modern. There is no question of sinful life or pious life, next life. (laughs) Another, their theory is that only on this planet there is living entities. (break) If there is sufficient rain in the desert, it will be also hot.
(break) . . . well versed in the śāstras how to live comfortably and advance in spiritual life. And they should give advice to others. That is the business of the Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Lokānāṁ hita-kāriṇau.
- nānā-śāstra-vicāraṇaika-nipuṇau sad-dharma-saṁsthāpakau
- lokānāṁ hita-kāriṇau tri-bhuvane mānyau śaraṇyākarau
This is the description of the Gosvāmīs. They are well versed in all different types of Vedic scriptures just to establish a peaceful society, sad-dharma, very nice gentleman, peaceful society. Lokānāṁ hita-kāriṇau, for the benefit of the whole human society. Therefore they are honored all over the world. This is gosvāmī business, not to exploit, shame, live like irresponsible man, eat, drink, be merry and enjoy.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda, their philosophy is that this is all there is, this life. After death, it's finished. And so they're trying to enjoy, enjoy, enjoy.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: So if they have information that this is not the only life, then won't they automatically become more austere?
Prabhupāda: Yes. They will consider, "What kind of life I'm going to get?" Then everything will be adjusted. They have made their own rascal philosophy that there is no life after death, although they're experiencing that I am changing my body in this duration of life. I know that I have a child's body, child's body. That body is finished. So I am existing. So why I shall not exist after this body is finished? Where is the logic? Where is the . . . this simple logic they cannot understand. So dull brain. And they're advanced in civilization, big, big professor, big, big Indologist, this logic. The simple reason they cannot understand. What did they say? You have talked with many men about this logic?
Guru-gaurāṅga: Ah, life after death?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Satsvarūpa: They say it doesn't go beyond . . . the logic . . . yes, they have to agree that the baby's body is gone and the young man's body is gone. They have to agree. But they say that that doesn't mean logically that I have to take another body. "I don't see it."
Prabhupāda: What is the other logic? If you have changed your body so many times, why not change this body? What is your reason? Natural course it should be that I have changed so many bodies, so this body I shall change. This is natural logic. Then what is his logic?
Satsvarūpa: So he said . . . they say it may be or it may not be.
Prabhupāda: But that is your rascaldom. But this is the real logic.
Guru-gaurāṅga: They also say that it is not . . . it is the same body, more or less.
Prabhupāda: Same body . . .
Guru-gaurāṅga: But it is just developed, but it is not a different body.
Prabhupāda: No. Developed means different body. Development means different body. They cannot say it is not different body. Then if it is not different, then go to childhood again. That means they're not human being. Human being means with logic. According to their definition, man is rational animal. They're not even rational. Like cats and dogs. There is no rationality. Cats and dogs also they have got rationality. Logic plus authority. Kṛṣṇa says. How you can deny? That means they don't agree with Kṛṣṇa's instruction. You see? This logic . . . I am not giving this logic. This logic is given by Kṛṣṇa. So unless . . . the difficulty is that unless they accept the authority, it is very difficult. Logic is there. The authority is there.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: They feel, Prabhupāda, that they've been cheated so much by so many philosophies that when we say that the Vedas are written by a person who's not contaminated by the modes of nature, they say: "Well, how is this possible? My experience is that everyone who's written books, they're all materialistic, and therefore the philosophy must be like that."
Prabhupāda: But you must be following some philosophy. You're not without philosophy. Even the hippies, they're also follow . . . they've got their own philosophy.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So you cannot give up philosophy. Now it is misfortune that you met with the cheaters. Now make your fortune now. Believe in Kṛṣṇa's philosophy. Then you'll be happy.