Hari-śauri: (break) ...sense gratification that comes from renouncing like that, that's like the Māyāvādīs.
Prabhupāda: Eh? Eh?
Hari-śauri: By artificial renouncing everything, they're actually simply another form of sense gratification.
Prabhupāda: Not artificial. It is a process. We have to give up this sense gratification. Go through a process to trained up. Just like sometimes in the club there is artificial swimming. Is it not? Artificial swimming. That is not swimming. But to practice something.
Hṛdayānanda: Or the...
Dayānanda: But sometimes people who renounce like that, they become very proud. What is that?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Hm.
Jagad-guru: Śrīla Prabhupāda, are you pleased when your disciples do things like that?
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Jagad-guru: Are you pleased when your disciples do things like that...?
Prabhupāda: Artificial?
Jagad-guru: Well, such things as Sharma Prabhu's doing.
Prabhupāda: I do not know. What is that? What is his question?
Devotee (2): He asked if you're pleased if your disciples do things like Sharma, if they, like, go to live in trees and do artificial renunciation?
Prabhupāda: No, he's trying. That's all. But active service is more important.
Hṛdayānanda: Hm. That is your example.
Prabhupāda: But something is better than nothing. If he goes, goes away to practice somewhere else, better give him chance to practice this. He's not doing anything bad. That is good. That is... But the better service is to be active servant, servitor.
Hari-śauri: That's your mercy on us.
Prabhupāda: Caitanya Mahāprabhu, personally He gives example. He could have done at His home. Why He took sannyāsa and went out of home?
Devotee (3): We have one boy at the temple, Śrīla Prabhupāda, and he doesn't want to do any work. He simply reads, and he says that "I will not do any work now, but when I become realized by reading," he says, "then I will engage in work."
Prabhupāda: No, no, he's reading. That is working. If he's... But he is sleeping, that is another thing. In the name of reading, sometimes we sleep. If that is not done, it is all right. He's reading. That's all right. But if he shows that "I am reading," but he's sleeping secretly, that is bad. To see that he's not sleeping, he's actually reading.