Prabhupāda: When it is said that all these are created by God, they become very angry, eh? Is it not?
Paramahaṁsa: Sometimes.
Prabhupāda: Sometimes, or always?
Śrutakīrti: You mean some of the scientists.
Prabhupāda: All of them, invariably.
Paramahaṁsa: Some of them accept...
Prabhupāda: Invariably. The scientists, as soon as somebody says, "This is all created by God," they become very angry, eh?
Bali-mardana: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is... What is the reason they become angry? Somebody has created. They say "Nature." Take nature, somebody, but you have not created.
Śrutakīrti: They want a more complex answer.
Prabhupāda: What is that complex answer? Somebody has created, that's all.
Śrutakīrti: They want to know how he created it.
Prabhupāda: How he created, that is another thing. But you have not created. Somebody else has created. First of all accept this. Then we shall go into the detail.
Gurukṛpa: Actually they are thinking that they are the supreme brain themselves.
Prabhupāda: Then that's all right. How you are supreme? You cannot create like that. How you are supreme? Simply by claiming "I am supreme"?
Gurukṛpa: Well, if they discover a theory, then they think that that makes them supreme.
Prabhupāda: No, no, no. Theory you may discover, but you have not created. That's a fact. That's a fact.
Bali-mardana: They refuse to accept God because they can neither prove nor disprove.
Prabhupāda: But no, no. God you prove or disprove, but first you have to accept that you have not created.
Bali-mardana: Yes.
Prabhupāda: How is that you are thinking that you have created or somebody... You have not created this. Somebody else. Now who is that somebody else, that we shall find out. But you have not created. You accept it.
Bali-mardana: They say it was an accident.
Prabhupāda: That is nonsense. That is not right answer.
Bali-mardana: Because they want to lord it over the accident.
Prabhupāda: Then all these houses have come in an accident? Everything is created by man. How you can say accident? This is their foolishness. Nothing happens accidentally. If there is accident, then how we are walking this? There is a huge water. By accident, immediately it can drown us. If accident is so prominent, then one should be conscious that by accident the whole Hawaii Island can be... It can be done. Why it is not being happened if it is accident? Then why you are building so many buildings? You should know, by accident the whole water can... If accident is there, why you are confident that "No, it will not do." Then where is accident?
Bali-mardana: They are thinking that they can control that accident.
Prabhupāda: You are not controlling. There are so many happenings, that big waves come, and overflood, and there is earthquake, and everything is finished. So you are not controlling accident, even if we accept accident. Accident is not under your control. That Madhudviṣa was telling: in Darwin there was so big, powerful wind, the motor buses were flying.
Bali-mardana: In America, tornadoes, they just destroyed one very big city.
Gurukṛpa: But the thing would be too simple. If they accepted there was God, they would be out of a job, and then there would be nothing more to speculate about.
Bali-mardana: They would lose their jobs.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) That is another poor fellow. If by bluffing like this, they can continue their office, that is another thing. In our childhood we were living in a quarter: there many thieves, pickpockets. So we... After all, they were neighborhood men, so they knew us. Although we had no connection, but we knew that "These are pickpockets, gundas." And they also knew us. So I remember, now, children, one pickpocket was taking, and as soon as he saw me... (laughter) He was afraid that "This boy may tell." We have seen it. He was doing... Similarly, these rascals are pickpockets, and they are asking us, "Don't expose us. Let us do."