Prabhupāda: Actual, what is religion. Religion means . . . just like Kṛṣṇa says, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekam (BG 18.66): "Give up all rascal religion. Surrender unto Me." So who is a sane man who will deny, "No, I don't surrender to God"? Who is a sane man? He must be insane. Anyone who says that "I don't like God. I don't like to surrender unto Him," then he must be insane. He has already surrendered. He is going on under the condition of surrender, but it is not done very . . . just like a prisoner: he is already surrendered to the government; still, he says: "I don't care for government."
This is the position. He's a madman. The state arrests him, kicks him, and puts him in the jail. Still, he says: "I don't care for government." So what can be done? "We don't care for the government." Just like Gandhi started civil disobedience movement, disobedience to the government laws, but all the whole stock was put into jail and they were beaten with shoes. But still, they said: "No, we are . . ." This is an example. Similarly, everyone is obeying, surrendering to God. But because they are rascal and fools, they are denying that we have surrendered. This is their position: madness. Nobody can stay without surrendering to God. It is not possible.
Umāpati: Well, in a madhouse, a sane man is the only one considered mad.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Umāpati: In a madhouse, a sane man is the only one considered mad.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Yaśomatīnandana: But that sane man, if he is powerful, he can change the . . .
Prabhupāda: So, "It is folly to be wise where ignorance is bliss." That is already there. So we have to act by the order of Kṛṣṇa, not by the votes of the madmen. Just see the fun. Everyone is under control. Who is free? It is simply illusion. They are thinking, "I am free." Nobody is free. Under the stringent laws of nature, still, he is thinking, "I don't care for God." This is madness. This is madness. Already under the laws of God, but still, he's protesting, "No, I don't care for God. There is no God." So we have to save these madmen from further deterioration. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.