Prabhupāda: So what is the difficulty?
Bhakti-prema: First we are interested to know . . .
Prabhupāda: (aside:) Take from the middle. (break) It is something new?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No. This is the first drawing we did. This is Jambūdvīpa. This is Bhārata . . .
Bhakti-prema: This is Bhārata-varṣa, Bhūrloka. Now, this is Himalayan mountain going from east to west. This is India.
Prabhupāda: First thing is, these people, they cannot cross the Himalayan mountain. (aside:) You can turn this light in this way, down. From my practical experience, I have seen Switzerland, it is so high that so many accidents have taken place. Little inattention. They have experience. The plane goes thirty-two thousand feet high. Is it not?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. Thirty to forty thousand. Say forty thousand maximum.
Prabhupāda: Still they met with accident. But they are saying that Himalaya is twenty-eight thousand feet high.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Maximum.
Prabhupāda: What is this? First of all answer this. Their everything proposition is wrong. So how we can trust somebody? What is the answer?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We cannot trust them.
Prabhupāda: Then? But if you cannot trust them, they're rejected immediately. This is one argument. Another argument, kūpa-maṇḍuka-nyāya. The frog in the well, he's estimating, "This is the limit of water." What he'll understand about Pacific Ocean, Atlantic Ocean? There is so many things. On the whole we are imperfect, and although imperfect, they want to be perfect. That is cheating. Now for argument's sake, if they put some argument, we have to reply. We have to prepare for them. Otherwise they're useless. We know they're useless, but sometimes they put some argument. We have to give answer. This is the position. And our duty is to present picture of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam correct. So what do you have to say? At least some answer you should give.
Yaśodā-nandana: The biggest problem we are discussing . . . We were thinking that the first question they will ask . . . This is their conception of the world.
Prabhupāda: We reject them.
Yaśodā-nandana: Yes.
Prabhupāda: "You are imperfect. So whatever you have written, that is nonsense. And everywhere problem. Why should we waste our time?" Now just try to settle from point of. He's showing this book; I am showing the Bhāgavatam. So you are imperfect, that's a fact. What is the value of your book? If you are basically a rascal, then what is the value of your book? Why shall I waste my time? First of all I take it and I prove it that you are a rascal. You show your book; I show my book. But you have been proved that you are a rascal. Because practically you cannot cross Himalaya. You have no idea what is the Himalaya. You are giving some conflict.