Svarūpa Dāmodara: I want to briefly outline tomorrow the comparative presentation of two aspects of modern science versus the Bhagavad-gītā, the varying concepts of life.
Prabhupāda: Very good.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: We'll outline, saying that modern science thinks that we are children of chance and chemical reactions. But the Gītā says we are children of Kṛṣṇa. We are coming from the supremely conscious person.
Prabhupāda: Ahaṁ bīja-pradaḥ pitā (BG 14.4).
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Ahaṁ bīja-pradaḥ pitā?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: So these two views, completely opposed. And I'm going to propose that...
Prabhupāda: No, it is a common sense. There is mother and there is children. Where is the father? They have no common sense even. Everything is produced... There are four kinds of living entities: udbhid-ja, sveda-ja, aṇḍa-ja and jarāyu-ja. They do not know anything. You are taking account of the jarāyu-ja, Not udbhid-ja, sveda-ja, aṇḍa-ja. They think the trees are coming automatically. That is their theory. That's not fact. Ahaṁ bīja-pradaḥ pitā (BG 14.4). Bījo 'haṁ sarva-bhūtānām (Bg 7.10). They do not consider this. A bug is coming from bed—they think it is automatically. No? The bīja-pradaḥ pitā... There are four kinds of births.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Four kinds of...?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Births.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What is that jarāy...?
Bhagatji: Man, animal...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Womb.
Bhagatji: Womb is everyone. That comes...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Sweat?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's one. And womb. Egg. And...
Bhagatji: And aṇḍa-ja.
Prabhupāda: Aṇḍa-ja, from eggs.
Brahmānanda: Udbhid-ja.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Eggs, sweat, womb...
Prabhupāda: And vegetable.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Seed.
Prabhupāda: Udbhid-ja. They take account of the jarāyu-ja, not other three.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's womb.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Embryo.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, embryo.
Prabhupāda: So science means to know everything, not only theoretically. They say "automatically."
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Their knowledge is so unscientific, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: The knowledge that they propose, chance, is so unscientific. Sometimes I wonder. In the name of science they make the most unscientific remarks.
Prabhupāda: The answer is there: "Here is my father." They'll not accept. Without father, how there can be son? You do not know who is the father. Why the particular tree is giving particular fruit, particular flower, and this is exactly like...? What do they answer?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They actually have no answer.
Prabhupāda: (chuckles) From the rose tree, why rose flower come, not other flower? This is a species. Jalajā nava-lakṣāṇi sthāvarā lakṣa-viṁśati. They have no knowledge.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Without coming to Kṛṣṇa consciousness it's not possible for them to understand. That is the root cause, that they're trying to assume that everything is coming out of chance. But once they...
Prabhupāda: These people, Gītā-pratiṣṭhāna, they spoke in Hindi. So there were so many foreigners. If Kṛṣṇa consciousness is meant for Hindu or Hindi, not for others, what do they say?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They are... They only spoke in Hindi. That means they're very narrow-minded.
Prabhupāda: And Kṛṣṇa conscious. And Kṛṣṇa said, ahaṁ bīja-prada..., sarva-bhūtānām. "Gītā-pratiṣṭhāna."
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They don't have even the human respect of a gentleman. The real gentlemen, they won't speak like that.
Prabhupāda: For their dealings, they are compact within India. They cannot go out. Who will care for their Hindi? And their nationalism and at the same time they are...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Bhagavad-gītā.
Prabhupāda: They are so many false attempt.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They don't understand the spirit of Gītā.
Prabhupāda: No.