Prabhupāda: Yes. The number of śūdras are always bigger. Just like in university education, the . . . the number of graduates and postgraduates, they're less. Others are big, number bigger.
Devotee: The whole idea is that at the end of everyone's life, everyone is required to leave home, perform devotional activities, but not necessarily take sannyāsa.
Prabhupāda: Devotional activities, either he leaves from home or not leave, that doesn't matter. It must continue from the very beginning. For the management of affairs, we require to divide. Because there are different classes of brain, so those who have very intellectual brain, they should become brāhmin. Those who are fit for management and protection, they should be trained as kṣatriya. And those who are fit for producing food, taking care of the cows, they should be trained as vaiśya. And the balance, they're all śūdras. This is the division. You . . . everywhere you'll find this division, natural. One class of men, very intelligent. One class of men, very strong, good brain for management, administration. (aside) Jaya. One class of men fit for tilling the ground, field, and produce food, take care of the cows. And the balance, śūdra. That's all.
So in our Society, this division should be there. The most intelligent class of men, they should be engaged in preaching, reading books and instructing, taking care of Deity worship, temple, and another class should be strong managers, that things are going on nicely, everyone is engaged, not that eating and sleeping. Everyone must be engaged, employed. So, so if one is very much adapted for eating and sleeping, he should be engaged with plows. You see? He must be activity. Otherwise, there must be dysentery, eating and sleeping. He cannot digest. Yes. So in this way, our Society should be managed. Not that "Give me second initiation, a sacred thread," and after getting it, business finished, "Now I'm liberated. Let me eat and sleep." This should be stopped. We have got fifty bighās of land, and I have calculated in Māyāpur, setting aside twenty bighās for the temple and grazing ground for the cow, thirty bighās of land. The production should be three hundred maunds of grains. And three hundred maunds of grain, I have calculated . . . how much you can . . .?
Bhagavān: Fifteen hundred.
Prabhupāda: No. According to our present calculated, about 180 maunds. So there should be 120 maund excess of grain. Instead of excess, they want ten thousand rupees for maintenance. This is . . . this management is going on. These things were not discussed in GBC? So what kind of discussion was there? Simply talking? No practical? And the estimate of budget was presented for ten thousand rupees per month. And . . . and when it was scrutinizingly studied, immediately it came down to six thousand. So what kind of budget? So management should be in that way, that nobody is sitting idly. Automatically he'll fall sick. Sickness means idleness. Or excess eating, sleeping. No excess, no less. Yuktāhāra-vihārasya yogo bhavati siddha (BG 6.17). Yukta. Yukta means actually what you need. (aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa. So everywhere, in each center, this system should be introduced, and there must be practical application of the varṇāśrama. At the same time, this program of devotional service. Then it will go on very nicely.