Prabhupāda: So paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma (BG 10.12). Dhāma. Dhāma means resting place. Mat-sthāni sarva-bhūtāni (BG 9.4). Paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma, and pavitram. Pavitra means you are not contaminated by these material modes. Pavitraṁ paramam, Supreme pavitra. Now the question is that if Kṛṣṇa is paraṁ pavitra . . . now sometimes they criticize that "Kṛṣṇa danced with the other girls. So how He can be contaminated?"
Dr. Patel: Non-contaminated.
Prabhupāda: Not contaminated. Apāpa-vidham. As it is said, apāpa vidham aśnaviram. (aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Aśnaviram means not material body. (aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Aśnaviram apāpa-vidham.
Chandobhai: Kavir manīṣiḥ paribhuḥ svayambhūḥ . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is being explained, yes. Paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān (BG 10.12).
Dr. Patel: Puruṣaṁ śaśvataṁ divyam ādi-devam ajaṁ vibhum.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Divyam. Divyam means spiritual. Tapo divyam. Tapo divyam (SB 5.5.1). That is the instruction of Ṛṣabhadeva, "My dear boys, you engage yourself in tapasya." Now, what kind of tapasya? Tapo divyam: for spiritual realization. Now, materialists, there are big, big scientists, big, big archeologists and so on, so on, they are also undergoing tapo. Without tapasya, nobody can become eminent. So they are also undergoing tapasya. Suppose one who has manufactured this atomic bomb. This is also tapasya. But not this kind of tapasya. Tapo divyam, for understanding Kṛṣṇa. To understand Kṛṣṇa, that tapasya required.
Dr. Patel: Shall I go further?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel:
- āhus tvām ṛṣayaḥ sarve
- devarṣir nāradas tathā
- asito devalo vyāsaḥ
- svayaṁ caiva bravīṣi me
- (BG 10.13)
Prabhupāda: Now, people may say that, "Arjuna was Kṛṣṇa's friend, so he is eulogizing Kṛṣṇa like anything." Therefore he is giving evidence that āhus tvām ṛṣayaḥ sarva, "It is not my sentiment that I am accepting You as such and such. But . . ." (aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa, Jaya. (break) He is giving evidence. This is required. This is required. If you say something, it must be supported by authorities. Not that my whimsically I say something like daridra nārāyaṇa.
Dr. Patel: Again you say, daridra-nārāyaṇa.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Yes. Unauthorized statement. This will not be accepted. So āhus tvām ṛṣayaḥ sarve.
Dr. Patel:
- āhus tvām ṛṣayaḥ sarve
- devarṣir nāradas tathā
- asito devalo vyāsaḥ
- svayaṁ caiva bravīṣi me
- (BG 10.13)
Prabhupāda: Vyāsa. Ultimately Vyāsa.
Dr. Patel: "Even You say so." Svayam eva.
Prabhupāda: "And You also say."
Dr. Patel: Sarvam etad ṛtaṁ manye yan māṁ vadasi keśava, na hi te bhagavān vyaktiṁ . . . (BG 10.14).
Prabhupāda: Now, this is understanding of Bhagavad-gītā that, "Whatever You say, I accept as truth." Not that "This portion . . ." Interpretation: "This portion I don't like. This portion is nice." No. Everything is nice. Whatever Kṛṣṇa says, everything is correct. That is understanding.
Dr. Patel:
- sarvam etad ṛtaṁ manye
- yan māṁ vadasi keśava
- na hi te bhagavān vyaktiṁ
- vidur devā na dānavāḥ
- (BG 10.14)
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: Vyaktim means?
Prabhupāda: Vyaktim means His personality, personality, vyaktim.
Dr. Patel: "Nobody knows Your personality in truth."
Prabhupāda: So foolish people cannot understand what is the Personality of Kṛṣṇa. Yes.