Satsvarūpa: When you say the creation is a mercy, the only mercy is...
Prabhupāda: Mercy means there is regular propaganda to give this intelligence.
Satsvarūpa: Not simply that you suffer.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Satsvarūpa: The fact that we suffer, that in itself does not make us...
Prabhupāda: No, suffering is already.
Satsvarūpa: That does not make us intelligent.
Prabhupāda: Even there is no creation, you have to suffer, because you are eternal. So some millions of years there is no creation and you'll have to lie down—no activity, just like sleeping. Suppose you are sleeping for one million year. Is that a very enjoyment, sleeping for many millions of years? Again you get the light. That is chance. Again you are created, either as Brahmā or any nonsense. But you see the light. Creation or no creation... "No creation" is still suffering. Creation is suffering, but "no creation" is still more suffering. Just like everyone is working very hard, but in Sweden there is no day. Somebody committing suicide. It is a great suffering. Otherwise how do they commit suicide. Is it not?
Hari-śauri: Yes. They have the highest suicide rate in the world.