Prabhupāda: Yes, for the rascals. Otherwise they will pollute the innocent girls. The innocent girls . . . that is the policy of the Western civilization, that "Let the karmīs enjoy new, new girls and be energetic to produce machine." This is the European civilization, American civilization. Because the karmīs, unless they have sufficient sex intercourse, they cannot work. So this is the policy: "Let all the girls remain open." They . . . "Let them use and produce atomic bomb. Show your brain." The . . . Just like the marriage. According to Vedic civilization, marriage is allowed to the karmīs. It is not that marriage allowed to the sannyāsī or brahmacārī. The karmīs require sex. Therefore . . . why marriage is allowed to the gṛhastha? Why not to the brahmacārī, vānaprastha or sannyāsī? Why it is not recommended? Because the karmīs require that enlivenment. Therefore they are allowed to marry. So in the European civilization it is only karmīs. There is no question of brahmacārī, vānaprastha or sannyāsa. There is no such idea. Therefore they want new, new girls. And that way they have kept, this artificial law.
Pañcadravida: Outlawing prostitution.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And no prostitution. And no prostitution, what it means? That means there is prostitutes in the society.
Pañcadravida: Everybody's a prostitute.
Prabhupāda: Now, the Vedic civilization is, "All right, you are not satisfied one woman? Don't pollute the innocent girls or in the home; go to the prostitute." Still, in big, big cities, there is a quarter, prostitute quarter, still. They are professional prostitutes.
Pañcadravida: What was the Vedic punishment if somebody broke these moral principles?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Pañcadravida: What would be the punishment in a Vedic society if somebody . . .
Prabhupāda: Oh. Picture, Fifth Canto. You see the description of the hell.
Pañcadravida: Hell. I mean, but within the society itself, there was punishment there also from the king?
Prabhupāda: Everyone who will commit sinful activities will be punished. That is nature's law. Exactly like that if you infect some disease, you must suffer from that disease. The nature's law is so strict, and it is going on. It doesn't require any supervision. The supervisions are already made so perfect. You infect this disease: you suffer from it. That's all.
Pañcadravida: In . . . in the society, if somebody would be . . .
Prabhupāda: Anywhere, if you break the laws, you suffer. Anywhere.
Devotee (2): Prabhupāda, science has developed methods where they can have sense gratification and . . . just like if they get some disease, they can give them some medicine, and then the disease goes away very easily. So in this way, they're actually giving more facility for more sense gratification.
Prabhupāda: So do you like to accept it, that disease? Therefore it has been condemned, prāyaścitta. Perhaps you have read it in the beginning of Sixth Canto. Prāyaścitta . . . Parīkṣit Mahārāja condemned, "What is the use of this Vedic prāyaścitta if it is suffering again and again? Then what is the use?" That he has condemned. But prāyaścitta vimarśanam. Therefore the rascal should be given knowledge that "You are attacked with some disease. Very good. You are injected with some medicine, you are cured, then again you are attacked. So why you are going in this way? Stop it." And that is knowledge. That knowledge is also not perfect, because even a man in knowledge, he knows that "If I go to prostitute, I'll be attacked with syphilitic poison, and last time I had the same trouble, I had to spend so much money." But still he'll go, because he has no knowledge. So even one has no knowledge, if he takes to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, then he becomes detestful: "Oh . . ." That is the, mean, gift of bhakti.