Prabhupāda: Yesterday there was a meeting. There is a hope of getting eighty-seven Life Member. So if you get some Life Members, say fifty, then we can have immediately one center.
Guest: But anyhow . . .
Prabhupāda: No, either we purchase or we invest (indistinct), but we require some Life Members.
Guest: (talks about making some appointment at between four and four-thirty)
Prabhupāda: But at that time somebody comes to see me. Somebody comes to see me and talk with me.
Guest: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: All right. If you can make some Life Members.
Guest: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: You are trying for that?
Guest: Yes.
Prabhupāda: All right. All right.
Guest: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: So Maharani has got many buildings also, I see.
Guest: (indistinct) . . . I can go to her secretary that . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: She's American.
Guest: She's American . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: She was born in India?
Guest: No, she was born in America. She was the daughter of (indistinct). Her father owned . . . (indistinct) . . . companies . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: She has culture. Just like there is . . . another American woman in Bombay, Mrs. Gwaliya.
Guest: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Yes. She's American, Gwaliya, a Parsee, a big businessman.
Guest: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: So you are Mr. Pandiya. You know him? He is also advocate. (Indian men converses)
Guest: You know me? You have seen my books? . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Yes. In devotees' association everyone is blessed. Satāṁ prasaṅgāt mama virya saṁvido (SB 3.25.25). There is some enlightenment.
Guest: May I sing one bhajana?
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. We chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Guest: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: No, Hare Kṛṣṇa. We chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Guest: Hare Kṛṣṇa I chant, but . . .
Prabhupāda: It may not be melodious, but we chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. (Indian man starts singing Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra, coughs and stops) All right, don't take . . . you want water? Eh? Give this glass. Come on.
(break) nāmaiva eva kevalam kalau nāsty eva nāsty eva nāsty eva (CC Adi 17.21). There is no mention that it should be chanted lowly. So how you can say it is gupta? It is not gupta.
Guest: Purāṇa says it is gupta.
Prabhupāda: This is also Purāṇa says. Especially it is harer nāma (CC Adi 17.21), it is not gupta. That is in the Kali-yuga it should be openly chanted, and we have to follow our predecessor, Haridāsa Ṭhākura, nāmācārya.
Guest: (indistinct) . . . (break)
Prabhupāda: When we chant, when we utter the bīja mantra, that we utter loudly. That is required. That is japa. So this mantra is mahā-mantra, and it should be chanted loudly, or as you like. There is no such restriction. Niyamitaḥ smaraṇe na kālaḥ. Nāmnām akāri bahudhā nija-sarva-śaktis tatrārpitā niyamitaḥ smaraṇe na kālaḥ (CC Antya 20.16) . . . (indistinct)
And we have to follow the great personalities. Haridāsa Ṭhākura, he was chanting very loudly; Caitanya Mahāprabhu chanted very loudly. So what more evidence you want? My Guru Mahārāja chanted loudly; we are chanting loudly. Whole business finished. (chuckles) Is that all right? Eh?
Guest: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Our process is very easy. We have to see whether my Guru Mahārāja, his Guru Mahārāja has followed this. Then there will be no more doubt. Evaṁ paramparā-prāptam (BG 4.2). We receive things by paramparā system. Mahājano yena gataḥ. Sādhu mārgānu-gamanam. We have to follow the footsteps of sādhu.
Guest: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Even if I am not well conversant with the Vedas and Purāṇas, if I see that my spiritual master is doing that, that is sufficient.