Guest (2): (French)
Yogeśvara: What is the meaning of the different cakras?
Prabhupāda: Different?
Yogeśvara: Cakra, cakras.
Prabhupāda: Cakra?
Yogeśvara: Cakras.
Prabhupāda: That is yogic process. Those who are trying to find out the Supreme from the body, for them the different cakras mean the active principle, how He is working in different places. From the abdomen to the heart, then here, then here, then here. Ṣaṭ-cakra, six cakras. That is yogic system.
Guest (1): (French)
Yogeśvara: Do we have a meaning, do we have a definition for the third eye?
Prabhupāda: Humm?
Yogeśvara: The third eye.
Prabhupāda: Third eye. The future. Future.
Yogeśvara: Future?
Prabhupāda: Past, present and future.
Puṣṭa-kṛṣṇa: There is a philosophy, Śrīla Prabhupāda, they say that you meditate on some third eye, and this opens up into the..., some spiritual realization, a mystical realization. It is very popular.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. Between the two eyebrows, that is said, explained in the Bhagavad-gītā, bhruvor madhye..., ante kāle ca mām...
Pṛthu Putra: (French)
Prabhupāda: That's Eight Chapter, I think, bhruvor madhye. Eighth Chapter? Hmm. Is it the Eighth Chapter?
Yogeśvara: That is the Eighth Chapter, text 21, 22.
Prabhupāda: Ten. Read.
Pṛthu Putra:
- prayāṇa-kāle manasā 'calena
- bhaktyā yukto yoga-balena caiva
- bhruvor madhye prāṇam āveśya samyak
- sa taṁ paraṁ puruṣam upaiti divyam
(French translation) "One who, at the time of death, fixes his life air between the eyebrows and in full devotion engages himself in remembering the Supreme Lord, will certainly attain to the Supreme Personality of Godhead."
Prabhupāda: This is bhruvor madhye.
Guest (3): (French)
Yogeśvara: He says: today, is it wise to practice this kind of meditation?
Prabhupāda: Useless. They cannot. It takes very, very, long time to get perfection. Vālmīki Muni got perfection in 60,000 years. Oh, Sixth Chapter. Read this, Arjuna uvāca.
Yogeśvara:
- arjuna uvāca
- yo 'yaṁ yogas tvayā proktaḥ
- sāmyena madhusūdana
- etasyāhaṁ na paśyāmi
- cañcalatvāt sthitiṁ sthirām
(French translation) "Arjuna said, O Madhusūdana, the system of yoga which you have summarized appears impractical and unendurable to me, for the mind is restless and unsteady."
Prabhupāda: Yoga, this yoga system means controlling the mind. But 5,000 years ago a person like Arjuna, who had his friend Kṛṣṇa, he is saying that it is not possible for him. And at the present moment people are so degraded—not in the position of Arjuna—how they can get success? He is not ordinary man. Such a great warrior belonged to the royal family, and so qualified that he could talk with Kṛṣṇa personally, he says that it is not possible. So, do you think that you are..., become more than Arjuna that you can get success?
Pṛthu Putra: Translating into French.
Prabhupāda: Read this second verse, cañcalaṁ hi manaḥ kṛṣṇa pramāthi balavad dṛḍham.
Yogeśvara:
- cañcalaṁ hi manaḥ kṛṣṇa
- pramāthi balavad dṛḍham
- tasyāhaṁ nigrahaṁ manye
- vāyor iva suduṣkaram
- (BG 6.34)
(French translation) "For the mind is restless, turbulent, obstinate and very strong, O Kṛṣṇa, and to subdue it is, it seems to me, more difficult than controlling the wind."
Prabhupāda: So Arjuna is presenting his inability, and what we are?