Nava-yauvana: Dharma is for the envious?
Prabhupāda: Yes, so-called dharmas. Just like we have created so many dharma—Hindu dharma, Muslim dharma, Christian dharma. They are so-called. They are not dharmas. Dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam (SB 6.3.19). Dharma means what is given to you by the Supreme Lord, that is dharma. Otherwise, if you manufacture some ritualistic ceremonies, some formulas, some dogma, that is cheating. That is not religion. Sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmaḥ. That is first-class religion. What is that? Yato bhaktir adhokṣaje: wherefrom you learn how to love God. If you learn, "I believe this," "I believe that," "This is our ritualistic ceremony," these are all cheating. As people are cheating one another in different ways, this is another cheating. That's all. They will say: "We believe in this way," "We believe in that way." So what is that, you believe in that way? What is the fact? If you believe something wrong, is that to be taken as religion? (break) We say tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ (BG 2.13). Other religious sect, they say: "This is Hindu belief." It is not question of Hindu belief. It is the fact. Does it mean that a Muhammadan or Christian child does not become a boy? When Kṛṣṇa says dehino 'smin yathā dehe kaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā (BG 2.13), just like the child is becoming boy, boy is becoming young, this is science. And why do you say it is Hindu belief? Does it mean that a Muslim or Christian child does not become a boy? What do you mean by Hindu belief? But they say it like that, "Hindu belief." Is that correct if somebody says it is Hindu belief? No, it is fact; it is science. (break) Tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ. Similarly, you have to change this body, another body. The example is given. Why do you think that because it is said in the Bhagavad-gītā it is Hindu belief? They say like that, "This is Hindu belief." What do you think? Is that Hindu belief?
Dayānanda: No, it's just like you said, Śrīla Prabhupāda. It's given by the Supreme Lord, so therefore it's . . .
Prabhupāda: Apart from Supreme Lord, it is a law of nature.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: It is logical. It is factual.
Prabhupāda: Yes, it is the law of nature, prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni. The law, nature's law, is acting like that. How you can avoid the laws of nature? If some young man says: "No, no, I'll not become old man," will the law of nature will excuse him, because he does not like? You have to become old man.