Prabhupāda: Balavanta may be his secretary. He can.... (laughter)
Rāmeśvara: Śrīla Prabhupāda, I was told you once said that he would be in the White House before he's forty years old.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) No, I did not.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That was only to encourage him.
Rāmeśvara: Oh, to encourage him. Also, Śrīla Prabhupāda...
Prabhupāda: If you bring public in your favor, it is not difficult.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's a fact. You have to bring them in your favor.
Prabhupāda: Yes. "A Kṛṣṇa conscious man. He's a Kṛṣṇa conscious man. Give him vote." This opinion. That's all.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It will happen gradually.
Rāmeśvara: One day our men will be leaders of government?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Leaders means as soon as you make the public in your favor, you are leader.
Rāmeśvara: But they'll actually manage the government?
Prabhupāda: Yes, why not? That is Kṛṣṇa's desire. The Kurukṣetra battle was for this purpose. The Pāṇḍavas should be on the throne, not the Duryodhana. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. All round, not that we're simply chanting. We're fighting also.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Arjuna monks.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We had a nice experience...
Prabhupāda: All-round.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...in Berkeley, when we started to fight...
Prabhupāda: They may not misunderstand us that we are...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Pacifists.
Prabhupāda: Pacifists, or a sect of religious faith. We want to remold, remodel everything.