Prabhupāda: Now this God consciousness can be awakened in the human form of life, not in other form of life.
Cardinal Danielou: Not in the...
Prabhupāda: Maybe very rarely, but the human being... (aside:) Where is the water?
Yogeśvara: She said she was coming with it...
Prabhupāda: Ācchā. The human being has got the prerogative to awaken his dormant God consciousness.
Yogeśvara: (translates)
Cardinal Danielou: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So the best service to humanity is to awaken their God consciousness.
Cardinal Danielou: Yes, it is true, it is true.
Prabhupāda: Best service.
Cardinal Danielou: It is the necessity of internal conversion, yes, for human, human souls to return to God. But do you think that this, the personality of human soul is a personality permanent? That is, we remain always distinct, not separate from God, but distinct of God?
Prabhupāda: Distinct.
Cardinal Danielou: Distinct of God. Yes.
Prabhupāda: Just like you are distinct from me, I am distinct from you.
Cardinal Danielou: Yes, yes, yes.
Prabhupāda: Like that.
Cardinal Danielou: We are distinct from God in a certain sense.
Prabhupāda: But as I am the individual being, similarly God is also individual being.
Cardinal Danielou: Individual being, yes, yes.
Prabhupāda: Being. That is the Vedic statement, nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām, eko bahūnāṁ yo vidadhāti kāmān (Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13). God is also a living entity.
Cardinal Danielou: Living, God is living.
Prabhupāda: Living entity.
Cardinal Danielou: Living, living.
Prabhupāda: And we are also living entities. But He's singular number, we are plural number.
Yogeśvara: Il est unique, nous sont nombre.
Cardinal Danielou: But do you think that really God love human beings and...?
Prabhupāda: God loves...
Cardinal Danielou: Love...
Prabhupāda: ...every living entity.
Cardinal Danielou: God love, love, love...
Prabhupāda: Not only human beings, but also...
Cardinal Danielou: And you think that the origin of creation is, comment dit pecher?
Yogeśvara: Do you believe that the origin of this creation is a sin?
Cardinal Danielou: Is a sin, a sin...
Yogeśvara: A sin.
Cardinal Danielou: A sin of man or is the love of God? What is the origin?
Yogeśvara: Is this creation...?
Prabhupāda: When, when the living entity forgets love of God, he's given this material world.
Cardinal Danielou: Yes yes, I agree. Christianity agrees with this.
Prabhupāda: The exact word, in Bengali, there is a poet,
- kṛṣṇa-bhuliyā-jīva bhoga vāñchā kare
- pāśate māyāra tare jāpaṭiyā dhare
As soon as the living entity forgets his position as eternal servant of God, and he wants to imitate God to enjoy, at that time, māyā, illusion, or Satan captures him, captures him.
Cardinal Danielou: Yes. Is true. The man must imitate God, imitating His bounty, His...
Prabhupāda: Power.
Cardinal Danielou: Yes. His mind and His knowledge of the spiritual sense. But it is possible to man without the helping of God to realize his perfection?
Prabhupāda: No, no, no.
Cardinal Danielou: It is necessary that the grace of God help the...
Prabhupāda: Yes. By the help of God, he can revive. That is stated in Caitanya-caritāmṛta...
Cardinal Danielou: Because man is, himself, is not capable to attain...
Prabhupāda: No.
Cardinal Danielou: ...the divinity.
Prabhupāda: By the help of Kṛṣṇa...
Cardinal Danielou: (aside in French)
Prabhupāda: By the help of God, and by the help of master, spiritual master...
Cardinal Danielou: Yes, yes. Spiritual master.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Cardinal Danielou: Spiritual master is very important. The guru, you say, yes.
Prabhupāda: Guru, yes. That is the very word used. Guru-kṛṣṇa-kṛpāya pāya bhakti-latā-bīja (CC Madhya 19.151). One revives his God consciousness by the mercy of God and guru.
Cardinal Danielou: Yes, in Christianity, we speak of spiritual fathers.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Cardinal Danielou: Spiritual father, spiritual father. We... He is a man who has a good experience of spiritual things and communicate his experience to others.
Prabhupāda: Yes, oh, yes. (etc.)