Hari-śauri: That's a long drive.
Prabhupāda: Yes, nine hours on the bus. And I took a little chipped rice, and whatever I had with me. So I got down from the ship about one o'clock. Then I had to wait for the bus till five o'clock. Then at five o'clock the bus started. About two o'clock, three o'clock in the morning, I went to Pennsylvania, and just in front of the bus Gopal was standing with his car, that... What is called? Van Car ?
Harikeśa: Stationwagon.
Prabhupāda: Stationwagon. So he took my luggage, and from there thirty miles off, the Butler County. So I went there. Then at night he took my (indistinct). The next day, he had no many rooms in his apartment, he arranged for my stay in the YMCA nearby them.
Hari-śauri: You never actually stayed with him then.
Prabhupāda: I was going. I was taking my meals there.
Hari-śauri: Oh. And just keeping a room at the YMCA.
Prabhupāda: Because he had no room, so I was staying there.
Hari-śauri: And then he arranged programs, speaking programs?
Prabhupāda: His wife, Sally. His wife, Sally she was arranging. A very intelligent girl. They were of the same age, about thirty. Gopal was more than thirty and she was (indistinct). I saw that she was feeding her child, one boy, meat powder.
Harikeśa: Beef bouillion?
Prabhupāda: I do know what is the name. But I asked. she said, "It is meat powder." That is the system?
Hari-śauri: When they're very young and they can't eat solids.
Prabhupāda: With hot water.
Hari-śauri: Yes, they have instant meals for children. All different kinds of things.
Prabhupāda: So Gopal was very much pleased that he could get some Indian cāpāṭis, like this.
Hari-śauri: So he had you cook for him. You took your cooker with you? Is that the same one?
Prabhupāda: No. So I lived with him for twenty-one days. Then I came to New York.
Hari-śauri: Yes, that picture in the Butler Eagle. It's in the Vyāsa-Pūjā book this year.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. Butler County, it is good (indistinct), there were many churches (indistinct) people have got so many churches (indistinct) (break) ...some time, that one piece of wire lying in one place, one piece of bamboo was lying in another place, and one dry shell of a squash was lying. So one intelligent man collected. So this dry shell became the tamburā's what is called...
Hari-śauri: I don't know. Like sound chamber. What do you call it?
Prabhupāda: Sound chamber may be called. So with that dry squash he made the sound chamber. The bamboo he fixed up and the wire upon it and then it became a "Tin, tin, tin, tin..." (laughs) Our organization is like that. I was loitering in the street. Somebody was over there, somebody was there. Not combined together, International Society String Band. Yes. Separately we are all useless. Eh?
Hari-śauri: No, we were useless. You were never useless.
Prabhupāda: No, your assistance was required. How you can be useless? We're all useless. But combined together, now we have become a stringed instrument. This is very good example. Separately... Just like the same logic, andha-khañja. Separately, andha is useless, and khañja is useless. Blind and lame. They cannot do anything. But combined together, they become useful. Then?
Hari-śauri: Would you like to reply? Or it's just recorded.
Prabhupāda: I shall reply. You find them if they are coming. (end)