Prabhupāda: Ah, avināśi tu tad viddhi yena sarvam idam. (japa) (break) . . . is correct. We can face any so-called philosopher. Any. Any so-called scientist. Any so-called politicians. You must be strong enough to have your firm conviction that, "We can face anyone rascal and defeat him." (break) . . . and logic, argumentum baculum. You know that? In logic there is a thesis, or argumentum baculum. Means no argument, but with stick and gun. You see? "If you don't believe, then here is stick and gun." That is called argumentum baculum. So we have to make our position so strong that anyone who does not believe in God, he should be finished.
Umāpati: We had a president that used to believe in that. He is finished.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) No, but don't think like that. But there are two kinds of business, paritrāṇāya sādhūnāṁ vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām (BG 4.8): to give protection to the devotees and killing the unbeliever. These are stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. (break) Yes. Government has got two departments: law and order department, military department. Why? Two things must . . .
(break) This is their business, śūdra business. Śūdra business. Śūdras, they have no knowledge. They commit mistake over and over. Therefore brāhmaṇa required to guide the kṣatriya, the vaiśya and the śūdra. Therefore they are guru. Otherwise, they will commit mistake, more or less. It is practical. Just in your country, you have all elected Mr. Nixon as president, and again you are protesting. Why you are protesting? You have already elected him. What is the reasons?
Karandhara: Well, he's a rascal.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) That's all. This kind of election is rascal election. It has no meaning. Therefore the public must know whom to elect and how to elect. That should be our propaganda. Because nowadays it is democratic government, teach people how to select the real leader. Real leader means who does not commit mistake, who is not illusioned, who does not cheat and who has no imperfect senses, who has, or, other words, one who has got perfect senses.
So if you say: "How it is possible for the conditioned soul?" "Yes, it is possible if you follow the perfect." Just like we are doing. We are following Kṛṣṇa. He does not commit mistake, He is not illusioned, His senses are not imperfect and He does not cheat. We are following. Therefore, although we are imperfect, because we are following the perfect, our proposition is perfect. A child may be illiterate, but when he's taught, "Write A like this," and he follows that, he becomes literate. This is the policy.