Prabhupāda: We, we worship Kṛṣṇa in His form, but you are formless. You worship that stone. When we make the form of Kṛṣṇa in stone, then we worship; not that any stone. Because Kṛṣṇa is everything, that does not mean I have to worship the dog. That you worship. Because you are impersonalist, you worship dog. And you are doing that. In the morning, you take a dog and worship it. That is your business. Our business is to worship the form of Kṛṣṇa. That is the . . . required. (pause)
Bhagavān: Could we say that anyone who is engaged in glorifying the body is actually engaged in idol worship?
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Bhagavān: Anyone who's engaged in . . .
Prabhupāda: That is already answered. Kṛṣṇa says: "The body is Myself, but still, I am not there." So you cannot say by worshiping your body, you're worshiping Kṛṣṇa. At that time, He's not there, although the body's also Kṛṣṇa.
Paramahaṁsa: Sometimes they argue, "How do you know this Deity is Kṛṣṇa and this one isn't? Because each Deity looks a little different to the material eyes."
Prabhupāda: So we have to pluck out the material eyes. Then you'll see that it is all right. First of all, let me pluck out your material eyes. Then you'll see. Therefore it is said, premāñjana-cchurita: "Eyes with love of Godhead." Just like Caitanya Mahāprabhu, He saw Jagannātha Deity. Jagannātha Deity's not very beautiful. But immediately He saw Kṛṣṇa and fainted. You have to make that eyes, then you'll see. So your present eye have to be plucked out. Then you'll see. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Who is that statue? You are . . .?
Paramahaṁsa: It's a decoration.
Bhagavān: Where do we go now?
Paramahaṁsa: We can make a promenade around the fountain.
Prabhupāda: So they have made this art. Suppose a real man and woman stands here. Will it be considered as art or criminal?
Paramahaṁsa: It would be considered criminal to them.
Prabhupāda: Then? Their art is criminal.
Paramahaṁsa: But their argument is that when you glorify the body of man with . . .
Prabhupāda: We don't glorify the body of . . . who glorifies the body of man? We say it is dead body. Dead body means that does not need glorification. It is condemned. We say dead body, decoration of the dead body. We don't say art.
Paramahaṁsa: Catholic Renaissance art, they glorified the dead body. Leonardo da Vinci, they glorified the body of man.
Prabhupāda: That is called bhūtejya. That is described in the Bhagavad-gītā as worshiping the material elements. That's all. Here in Western countries, that is the prominent thing, bhūtejya. (pause) What is the other side? Lion? (pause) (break) They cover with some cloth, some loose cloth. Is it not?
Bhagavān: Yes.
Prabhupāda: This is Ital . . . this is French art, to make naked?
Devotee: Yes.
Bhagavān: Little more advanced.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Yes. Therefore nowadays students are walking naked in America. Advanced, more advanced.
Bhagavān: There was one picture in the paper of one student running to receive his diploma without any clothes on. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: Just see how much rascal they are becoming. (to devotee) Take care of your son. It is . . . (japa)
Paramahaṁsa: If the material creation is created by Kṛṣṇa, then man cannot destroy it, although they are thinking that if they have a nuclear war, then they will destroy the earth.
Prabhupāda: What they will destroy?
Paramahaṁsa: They're thinking the earth will just blow up with all the atomic bombs.
Prabhupāda: That means this earth will be finished?
Paramahaṁsa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: They're expecting that?
Paramahaṁsa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: The earth will be finished?
Bhagavān: They think it's within their power.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Bhagavān: It's within their power.
Prabhupāda: Within their power so many things they're imagining. That is not possible. He can make a big hole only. That's all. Then where he'll stand? Suppose he finishes the earth. Then he is also finished. Then what is the credit? If you suicide, if you cut your own throat, is that very good credit? Then what is the credit? Suppose he has manufactured something that the earth will be finished. Then he'll be also finished. So what is God's loss? There are millions of earth-like planet floating in the sky. So one is lost, what is God's loss? It is your loss, that you are finished. Is that very good invention, to finish yourself? You are being finished, and now you have invented instrument to be finished. So you'll be finished. Wait for that. Why you are anxious to invent something to finish yourself? Is that very good intelligence? You'll be finished. That's a fact. So why you have invented machine to finish yourself quickly and you want to take credit? That means he proves he's a nonsense. He's a nonsense.