Prabhupāda: Now, another question, that we say that God's name and God-all-powerful. Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, nāmnām akāri bahudhā nija-sarva-śaktis tatrārpitā: "In the name of God, all God's potencies are there." So have you got any name like that? That means if you chant that name, you get immediately contact with God.
Ravīndra-svarūpa: That idea is put forth in the Psalms repeatedly. It says, "Sing the names of the Lord with high-sounding cymbals, with drums." It says in one place that "The name of the Lord is exalted even beyond heaven."
Trivikrama: "Hallowed by Thy name." There's a prayer.
Prabhupāda: That... What is that name?
Ravīndra-svarūpa: They don't... The Christians... It says, "Sing the name of God," but they don't do that.
Prabhupāda: That's all right. But if you have to chant name... Just like we prescribe, "Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa," so what is the name they recommend to chant?
Prajāpati: Adonai.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Prajāpati: Adonai.
Acyutānanda: "Adonai" is a... It's an apostrophe.
Prajāpati: But that's the name that was chanted. Adonai (Hebrew).
Pañcadraviḍa: No, by the Christians.
Ravīndra-svarūpa: What about Christians?
Viṣṇujana: Jesus, Jehovah. They say Jesus is the name.
Prabhupāda: Adonai, whose name it is?
Pañcadraviḍa: Jewish.
Acyutānanda: In India Christians say that Jesus Christ is God.
Ravīndra-svarūpa: They're trying to substitute... In the beginning of the Bible it says that "In the beginning was the word, and the word was God." And modern-day translations, they have substituted the word "Christ" for "the word." So it says, "In the beginning was Christ, and Christ was God." So they're trying to make, they're trying in that way to make Jesus God. And that is the name, because they don't know what is that word.
Acyutānanda: Yes.
Prajāpati: We can understand this...
Prabhupāda: That is again another adulteration.
Prajāpati: It is adulteration, but the tendency is there because Kṛṣṇa is a person. Because God is a person, they, everyone, wants to worship God as a person. It's the only way God can be worshiped. So because they do not know Kṛṣṇa, they make Jesus God so they can worship him as a person.
Prabhupāda: That is also good. But do they do?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: To worship means to follow the instructions, and they...
Prabhupāda: Do they follow?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...do not follow the instructions.
Prabhupāda: Yes. The... Do they follow the Ten Commandments?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No.
Prabhupāda: Then?
Trivikrama: They say, "You cannot. It is not possible. Only you have to accept Christ. Then you will be saved."
Acyutānanda: As Lord Zetland.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Acyutānanda: Lord Zetland said, "It is not possible..."
Trivikrama: It is not possible.
Acyutānanda: ...to give up meat and illicit..."
Prabhupāda: Then? Where is Christian?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We are. We are the Christians.
Pañcadraviḍa: Well, they say then, "You can't do any of these things, so you have to accept Christ in your heart."
Acyutānanda: That was my challenge, that "We are doing them better than all of you, so you... That's..."
Prabhupāda: No, if you keep God or Christ within your heart, then your heart will be purified. That means you are cheating.
Trivikrama: Yeah.
Pañcadraviḍa: Yeah, that's what it boils down to.
Prabhupāda: You are all cheaters, not Christians, but cheaters. You do not keep in the heart Christ's name or God's name, but you keep your own ideas. Therefore you think it is impossible. Otherwise, your heart would have been cleansed. Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam (CC Antya 20.12).
- śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ
- puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ
- hṛdy antaḥ stho hy abhadrāṇi
- vidhunoti (suhṛt satām)
- (SB 1.2.17)
Anyone who is keeping Kṛṣṇa within his heart, he becomes cleansed of all dirty things. And because the dirty things are there, that means he is not keeping.
Acyutānanda: You know the Cardinal that you spoke with in Paris?
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Acyutānanda: You know how he died?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Acyutānanda: So.
Brahmānanda: It has happenned again.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Brahmānanda: Just when I was in Germany, a big Bishop in France, he was also found in a similar... He had died in a similar circumstance.
Pañcadraviḍa: Worse state.
Brahmānanda: Worse, yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes, these things are... And in Vṛndāvana, one big Gosvāmī, he died at the house of her (his) one woman disciple, lying there, sleeping with her. There are so many.