Vāsughoṣa: Even the poorest of men. Just like when we were before, when this temple wasn't here and we were chopping away at the rocks in the foundation, we were paying twenty rupees a day for those men. And then they were . . . we were told that ten rupees every day would go for wine for those same men. Ten rupees out of the twenty they would immediately spend to drink. Even poor people. So many of them.
Prabhupāda: And because we were trying to stop this thing in Europe or America there is agitation, that "These people are propagating brainwash. How is that, a man who will not eat, drink? This is brainwash." Hmm. He will paying ten rupees out of twenty rupees. Eh?
Vāsughoṣa: Yes, we were told like that, that they would take their twenty rupees' pay and then they would go and spend ten rupees on alcohol, drinking, toddy. (break) I was in . . . last time at the festival in Māyāpur I was riding from Māyāpur to Calcutta. And so one man was saying that "Oh, fish, 80 paisa a kg." "How much are potatoes?" I asked. So even their hard-earned money, so much more they spend just to eat meat, to enjoy their senses. It is not even . . . it doesn't make sense in any way.
Prabhupāda: And that also, they cannot live on meat. They must have vegetable also. Without vegetable, simple meat-eating will not help them. (greets someone) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya.
- piśācī pāile yena mati-cchana haya
- māyā-grasta jīvera se haya bhāva udaya
Just like a man, when he is haunted by a ghost, he speaks nonsense, he does nonsense. Similarly, when one is absorbed, overwhelmed by māyā, he speaks like that, he talks like that, he acts like that. (break) . . . scientists manufacture? They are very . . . (indistinct) . . . they are very proud of becoming scientists. Such nice flower, can anyone manufacture? And still, the rascal, they say there is no God. Hmm? What do you think? How do they say there is no God, these rascals? What is the reason?
Vāsughoṣa: Actually, I think they are all misers.
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Vāsughoṣa: They are also misers. They want to enjoy.
Prabhupāda: No, misers, I say rascals, fools and rascals. That's all. That is their real position, mūḍha. Mūḍha. This very word is used in the Bhagavad-gītā, mūḍha. Mūḍha means rascal, ass. Asses. Anyone who denies the existence of God, he is mūḍha, ass. He is not human being. If you are intelligent enough, by seeing this flower you must admit there is God. Mūḍho nābhijānāti mām ebhyaḥ param avyayam. Find out this verse. Mūḍho nābhijānāti mām ebhyaḥ param avyayam: "Mūḍha, rascals, they cannot understand that I am behind everything." (to boy) Come here. Who has manufactured this flower?
Boy: God.
Prabhupāda: Very good. (laughter) Thank you. He is intelligent. And the rascal will say, "There is no God." Mūḍhaḥ nābhijānāti mām ebhyaḥ param avyayam. Aiyye idhar aiyye. Please come this way. That's all right. What is that verse? I am very pleased that he has immediately answered the right thing. This is intelligence.