Yaśomatīnandana: The five Pāṇḍavas are the five senses, and the . . . five Pāṇḍavas are the five senses actually. There is nothing like Mahābhārata war.
Bhava-bhūti: All allegory they want to dismiss it as.
Yaśomatīnandana: They think that this is all ironical.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So then you should take your shoe and hit them in the face and say: "This is also allegory of how the material world slaps one." Actually . . .
Yaśomatīnandana: He says that Vyāsadeva is an imaginary character.
Prabhupāda: And in India the Māyāvāda poison has over flooded.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Everywhere. Everywhere.
Indian man (4): Itna flood ho gaya hai ki admi log ko, sab ko ek dum andha karke rakh hua hai. It has over-flooded everywhere so much that it has blinded everyone.
Prabhupāda: Ye ab samajh me a raha hai. Tumhara samajh me a raha hai. Ye Bhagavan ki kripa hai. You are understanding now. All these things you can understand now. This is the mercy of God.
Bhava-bhūti: Just like they import gañjā, they import Māyāvādī philosophy also.
Prabhupāda: In America.
Indian man (4): Ap jo bola na ki apka father . . . What you said about your father.
Bhava-bhūti: Yeah. And all these books.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. Actually the Māyāvādī philosophy was started with Vivekananda. Because I don't find in the Christian faith that they are Māyāvādīs. Their belief is service to God. Of course, they are somewhat Māyāvādīs. But this real strong Māyāvādī was brought from East with Buddhism and Vivekananda's philosophy.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: When I was studying, in the books . . .
Yaśomatīnandana: Jaya Prabhupāda! (Prabhupāda chuckles)
Prabhupāda: All śūnyavādīs, Māyāvādīs, yes. Impersonalists.
Bhava-bhūti: That's why this Kṛṣṇa consciousness philosophy is so unique.