Guest (1): Living condition. So, but we are not affected by air, which is most required, and most special for our use. Because it is abundant, and it will be given to every person at all the times, in all circumstances, therefore we do not keep it under lock and key. Western countries, though they have . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no. There is no question of Western-Eastern.
Guest (1): No, I was speaking of materialism and spiritualism. I was talking on that point, that though we see, I mean, I don't say have made it, but yet because, you see, there is no what kind of life they want, or in our Eastern countries, because they are . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no. If you study the whole thing in that way—Western-Eastern . . . there is no question of Western-Eastern. It is the question of the living entity.
Guest (1): Yes, how to live in such a way where there is no dearth of thing as well as there is no continuing of that need that a man becomes lost? That is the . . .
Prabhupāda: That is the point.
Guest (1): That is the point. And for that, what kind of spiritual life should it be?
Prabhupāda: That is . . . that I am going to explain, that . . . that is one line, sukham ātyantikaṁ yat tad atīndriya-grāhyam (BG 6.21). This sukham ātyantikaṁ is being searched both by the Western, Eastern, everywhere—even cats, dogs, everyone. But the cats and dogs, animals, they cannot adjust what is that ātyantikaṁ sukham.
But human being can. So human being, there is no question of Eastern and Western. It is a question of degree only. But actually everyone is searching after that perpetual happiness. So it is a problem for everyone, and that problem can be solved by Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Guest (1): By . . .
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa consciousness. This is the . . . I mean to say, a rough scheme, rough estimation. Now, how Kṛṣṇa consciousness can solve this problem, that is a detailed thing. But this is a fact. It is not the question of Eastern-Western; it is the problem of all living entities.
Guest (1): Yes, living entities. Human, actually we have.
Prabhupāda: Not even human life; even animal life. There are 8,400,000's of different kinds of bodies. So this is a problem for everyone. Now in other species of life than the human form, they cannot solve. They have no power. But a human being can solve.
Guest (1): Yes. They have got understanding.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And that solution is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Guest (1): What do you mean by that?
Prabhupāda: That is a detailed question, "How it can be?"
Guest (1): No, but are we satisfied with the past . . .
Prabhupāda: You will be never satisfied without Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Guest (1): What I mean was, was it really or were we at that time . . .
Prabhupāda: Which time? What do you mean "that time"?
Guest (1): "That time" means at the time of Lord Kṛṣṇa. Were we completely . . .
Prabhupāda: At the time of Kṛṣṇa . . . you are taking simply the portion of the time when Kṛṣṇa was present. You are saying about that. But Kṛṣṇa is present always.