Ātreya Ṛṣi: So we put you in a room with a lot of lust and you create a baby.
Harikeśa: No, that will happen automatically. You just . . . the ingredients come together automatically.
Prabhupāda: Obstinate rascals. Not only rascal, but obstinate rascal. Their only remedy is shoe. That's all. Obstinacy. There is a story about obstinacy. Two friends were talking. One friend said: "This is cut by a scissor." So another friend says: "No, it is cut by the knife." So then there was fight. So the friend who was talking of the knife, he was strong enough. So he captured him, "You accept that it is scissor, otherwise I'll throw you in the water." So other, "No, it is scissor," so he threw him in the water. So when he was dying, he was doing like this.
(Prabhupāda makes a hand motion like scissor) (laughter)
So he is obstinate rascal.
(pause)
Prabhupāda: It is as good as that garden here. Rather, here there is no disturbance of outsiders, and there there are so many disturbances. It is better. Our theory is . . . not theory, fact—daiva-netreṇa. These things are arranged by superior management.
Jñānagamya: Actually, Prabhupāda, that lust is a perverted expression of love. Kṛṣṇa is creating out of love, and in the material world it becomes perverted. So in the material world lust is the cause.
Prabhupāda: Yes. In the spiritual world, what is love, that is material world, lust.
Harikeśa: So you agree with me?
Jñānagamya: Yes, you are right, but you do not understand where that lust is coming from. That lust is perverted from Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Obstinate. It is perverted reflection of love. Actually, it is . . . they say it is love. The sahajiyās in Vṛndāvana, they have got connection with woman. If you criticize them, say: "Why you are connected with illicit sex?" "What is the wrong there? It is love." They say it is love.