Bob: . . . who is not very aware of God, but . . .
Prabhupāda: Then he's an animal. The animal does not know what is God. A person who does not know what is God or one who does not try to understand what is God, he's animal. The animals are with four legs, and that animal is with two legs. And Darwin's theory is they are monkeys. So anyone who does not know God or does not try to understand God, he's nothing but animal.
Bob: What about the people in the . . . the innocent people?
Prabhupāda: The animal is very innocent. You cut it's throat, it won't protest. So innocent is not very good qualification. The animals are all innocent. Therefore you get the chance of cutting their throat. So just . . . to become innocent is not a very good qualification. Our our proposition is one must be very, very intelligent, and then he can understand Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa yei bhaje se baḍa catura. So to become innocent, ignorant, simpleton is not very good qualification. Simplicity is all right, but one should not be unintelligent.
Bob: Can you tell me again what intelligence is?
Prabhupāda: Intelligence means one who knows what he is, what is this world, what is God, what is the interrelation—he's intelligent. If he does not know what he is . . . the animal does not know what he is. He thinks that he's body. Similarly, any man who does not know what he is, he's not intelligent.
Bob: What about a person who does . . . tries to do what is right and is very conscientious instead of being unconscientious about the things he does? Like the servant who is very honest to his master, but if he was not honest he knows he would not be caught, but he stays honest anyway. A person like that. Is that some kind of good karma?
Prabhupāda: Yes, to become honest is also good karma. The how to become good man, they're described in the Bhagavad-gītā: daivī sampad and asurī sampad. These are very elaborately described in the Bhagavad-gītā. So if you become qualified with the daivī sampad, then daivī sampad vimokṣāya (BG 16.5), then you'll be liberated. And nibandhāyāsurī matā: and if you are qualified with the demonic qualification, then you'll be more and more entangled.
Unfortunately, the modern civilization, they do not know what is liberation and what is entanglement. They're so much ignorant. They do not know. Suppose if I ask you, "What do you mean by liberation?" can you answer? And if I ask you, "What do you mean by entanglement?" can you answer? These words are there in the Vedic literature: liberation and entanglement.