Prabhupāda: Yes. And all these rubbish things we are finishing. "Yes, it is brainwashing, ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam (CC Antya 20.12), cleansing the core of the heart, all mistaken ideas." Speak in the court like that. "And see how we are being appreciated by scholarly section. Here is our book. Read if you have got time and see the opinion. It is really brainwashing, but for the good. Everything requires cleansing—for good. If bad impression, bad ideas, are washed, why do you protest? Let it be done. Give us freedom. It is brainwashing, but for the good, washing for good. Just like you wash your cloth. Do you think it is bad? Dirty cloth, if it is washed nicely with soap and water, who will protest against that? 'Oh, why you are cleansing your dirty clothes?' That is another foolishness. Everyone, every gentleman, every civilized man, washes his clothes with soap and water to become more refreshed. So we are giving this civilization... Actually it is brainwashing, but for the good. And see our example. The boys and girls whom you are charging, 'Brainwash,' just see after brainwashing, how gentleman they have become. They have become moralist. They have become God conscious. They are clean outwardly. Their fooding is so innocent and so nutritious. So why do you check it? Bring your plate and our plate. Now judge. Which is better? You taste. Halavā, puri, samosa, kachori, vegetable—one plate; and boiled meat with salt and black pepper... So taste now which is better."
Hari-śauri: But for a hog, halavā...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Hari-śauri: A hog would rather eat stool.
Prabhupāda: And bring that also: "Before the hog, you give him stool and halavā; he will prefer to take the stool." So let it be extremely exposed. We are fighting. Let them be exposed. What is the wrong there?
Gargamuni: We should, in our attack...
Hari-śauri: They're criticizing us. We should point out their defects.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Hari-śauri: That attack is the best form of defense.
Gargamuni: "You're a drunkard, you're a smoker, and you're doing all these things." We should turn the tide and expose them.
Prabhupāda: There are many opinion that "This movement is... Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam will save the human society." There are many opinions like that. That's a fact.
Gargamuni: And many parents have said that "My children have been saved." Hayagrīva's...
Prabhupāda: No, these books especially. There are many opinions—"It will save the human civilization from going to hell."
Gargamuni: One scholar, Asutosh Mukherjee, he said this, "These books will save the world." In that review...
Rāmeśvara: Yeah, right. He said from the... Nice words.
Hari-śauri: Seems only the Indian scholars have got that vision, though. Only the Indian scholars have appreciated that these books have a chance for saving the whole humanity.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And that is our mission. We want to save.
Rāmeśvara: Here. "The set edition of the Bhāgavata series we hope will serve as a boon to the English-knowing world for its abiding values and ennobling thoughts of spiritual perspective to give the correct lead to mankind in the midst of sickening contemporary problems."
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is our mission. Who has written that?
Gargamuni: That's Dr. Krishna Gopal Gosvāmī.
Rāmeśvara: Head of the Department of Sanskrit at Calcutta University.
Prabhupāda: He has got good experience because university students they have become so rascal. In the university they don't care for professors, teachers. Don't care.
Rāmeśvara: Yes. Then the professor and the head of the Department of Bengali and the dean of the faculty of Fine Arts and Music at the University of Calcutta says, "The world, tormented by psychic troubles like avarice, hate, and other baser qualities of the mind, will never escape from utter annihilation of the soul unless it finds refuge in His Divine Grace. I have particularly read some portions of this English translation of Śrī Caitanya-caritāmṛta, and I think this book is capable of saving mankind from the clutches of māyā. I have no doubt that the ISKCON will lead the world to the path of divine grace."
Gargamuni: He's a very big scholar, too. He's a Ph.D.
Prabhupāda: No, all of them Ph.D.'s. All...
Rāmeśvara: And here, Dr. Jagadish Sharma. He's the author of nineteen books, a very well-learned man. He says, "The work done by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda toward the revivalism of Hindu culture and civilization is unsurpassable. His Holiness has done a great service to Indian culture by reinterpreting the concept enshrined in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. This edition of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam will go a long way to help the scientists in rediscovering phenomena of the universe which is yet to be discovered. The thoughts of this Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam radiate to anyone who sees it. This book helps to brighten the gloomy and dark clouds which are covered by the nuclear fear and the apprehensions of society."
Prabhupāda: So let the judge read this opinion, read this book.
Gargamuni: Yeah, these men are famous men of India. This Jagadish Sharma is the most famous man in Punjab.
Prabhupāda: He is young man?
Gargamuni: Jagadish Sharma?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Gargamuni: I have not met him. I don't know. But he's very famous.
Prabhupāda: Young men means about forty.
Gargamuni: Yeah. I think he's around forty or forty-five.
Rāmeśvara: But then the best one is by Dr. Mukherjee, former Chief Justice. He writes that "This book is an intellectual, a cultural, and a spiritual landmark in this world. The beautiful printing and photographs evoke the spirit of the work. It is a book which should be in the library of every reader who values the essential glories of human life..."
Prabhupāda: This is the judgment of the Chief Justice. He's not ordinary man.